Can someone explain to me what "nearly over a decade" is supposed to mean?
Presumably it should have been "over nearly a decade".
So "a decade" :)
For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
Based on your description, it sounds like your wife has experienced a decent amount of harassment. (I include that extreme bullying in it.) When a number of individual assholes are allowed to continue being assholes, and you need to have a "look out for yourself attitude", that is a systemic problem. I'm genuinely curious what your wife's take is - she may see it a little differently from you.
I said she hadn't experienced sexual harassment. You are correct that the bullying constituted harassment. I was not trying to say that it doesn't exist; I was just trying to offer my thoughts on the article. The title says, "For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare." I have worked in Astronomy my entire career, but I have not seen it at all (perhaps, because I am male). My wife works in a di…
My point is that the harassment your wife has experienced may in fact be sexual harassment. Sexual harassment is not limited to harassment of a sexual nature. If the harassment was because she is a woman, that falls under sexual harassment as well: https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm
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#163These harassment cases are so mysterious to me. What kind of men think this sort of behavior is ok? I mean, I would like to help somehow, but I don't know anyone like that.
Many people take advantage of others when they think they can get away with it. Not limited to workplace or men.
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#164Can someone explain to me what "nearly over a decade" is supposed to mean?
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The guy wore the shirt to a celebration after working with those co-workers for 10 years. It wasn't intended to look "professional" and I'm pretty sure none of those co-workers were offended. The reason the shirt was a bad idea is that it was easily misinterpreted by people watching the press conference. Edit: I didn't see it at the time, but this article exactly reflects my perspective on the thing. http://www.theat…
A shirt that depicts women as objects or objectized women is just plain wrong. I do not care about the celebration.
In a more general note about the downvotes about sexism:
https://medium.com/@sh4ka/sexism-and-hacker-news-6678897fccc...
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Presumably it should have been "over nearly a decade".
So "a decade" :)
No, "throughout nearly a decade", as allannienhuis says.
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#167It's amazing that sexual harassment (or any kind of harassment, really) can survive the era of the cell phone recording? Allegations of misbehavior carry far more weight, once there is a recording that can tickle people's sense of voyeurism and outrage.
> It's amazing that sexual harassment (or any kind of harassment, really) can survive the era of the cell phone recording? In some jurisdictions it's illegal to record someone without their knowledge or permission, so the victim of the harassment can get nailed to the wall for trying to gather evidence to support their case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_recording_by_civil...
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- asking someone out on dates repeatedly, even if they've already said "no" There's some kind of weird disconnect in our society here. I've been in the position where I've asked a colleague out to a movie, but she gave a plausible sounding excuse each time. I stopped asking when she finally definitely said "no," but she did so with language that made me feel like she thought me a rapist. No means no, but white lies s…
If she really wanted to see the movie with you, but she actually had to take her dog to the dentist, she would have counter-offered a time and date. She was trying to brush you off, hoping you'd take the hint, without appearing confrontational. It obviously didn't work. You continued with the unwanted advances, and it made her uncomfortable.
You are making it sound like it's actually his fault that he kept asking until she actually gave a definite answer.
Worst than that, some people would call that harassment and chastise me and others for victim blaming, just stating a simple fact: She should have said no.
I wonder how many of these cases get into the statistics about harassment when it should just be considered simple human interaction up to the point she gave a definite answer: "No". It's quite simple, you can even make it nicer with: "Sorry but I'm not interested".
If after that he keeps pushing, then yes, it should be considered harassment.
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#169It sounds terrible. And yet working in he unrelated field of IT I haven't seen it. I have seen a bunch of assholes in high positions though and have to put up with their idiotic demands and abuse. So when I read these articles I wonder if it's the same people and how they translate treating male workers like garbage into treating female workers like garbage. It's not misogyny; it's welcome to the workforce and dealin…
> So when I read these articles I wonder if it's the same people and how they translate treating male workers like garbage into treating female workers like garbage. It's not misogyny; it's welcome to the workforce and dealing with people above you who are neither competent not deserving of their positions and their power trips and borderline psychopathy. I think what the issue is when it comes to the male boss/femal…
I think what the issue is when it comes to the male boss/female employee dynamic is those power trips frequently take on a sexual dynamic in private.
Dominance is messily tied into sexuality. This plays out in school locker rooms and boarding school dormitories.
I know one manager I used to work with who seemed nice but literally every single hire he has made has been an asian female.
So what? In itself, this shouldn't be a significant factor. Please explain this: Do you think for some reason that asian females are somehow more enticing or vulnerable? Just how large a sample size are we talking here? Is his department a dozen asian women? Twenty?
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Based on your description, it sounds like your wife has experienced a decent amount of harassment. (I include that extreme bullying in it.) When a number of individual assholes are allowed to continue being assholes, and you need to have a "look out for yourself attitude", that is a systemic problem. I'm genuinely curious what your wife's take is - she may see it a little differently from you.
I always wonder at what point does bullying and the like become genuine illegal harassment? I have worked with assholes who bullied and acted like children, but I dealt with it and moved on. If my wife had worked with the same person does that make the bully's actions now something that is illegal? I've done some reading on this and it is never quite clear. It seems like if the asshole is an asshole to everyone it is…
Presumably the law has the standard for all genders, though in practice they tend to not be gender neutral in their use of pronouns, and courts have expectations of what is acceptable largely defined by traditional gender roles.
I would wish that bullying that is illegal when directed at your wife is illegal when directed at you (modulo gender specific forms). In practice I'm sure it depends on how manly you are compared with her.