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Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs for personal use

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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs for personal use

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Post by dang »

blumkvist wrote: post #159
corin_ wrote: post #146

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Here's an interesting brief-read: http://lifeprocessprogram.com/lp-blog/library/the-persistent... Here's a paper about treating opiate addicts with pure heroin and it having positive effects: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.... If you read up pretty much any information about the dangers of heroin, you will see that they are overdose (which you can prevent by using the right amounts), risk…

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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs for personal use

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Post by bcook »

corin_ wrote: post #146
bcook wrote: post #141

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Cite an article that says the purity of heroin is the most dangerous part of heroin use. Just one reputable article. Put up or shutup. I posted 3 well-established papers above if you want some reading.

Here's an interesting brief-read: http://lifeprocessprogram.com/lp-blog/library/the-persistent... Here's a paper about treating opiate addicts with pure heroin and it having positive effects: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.... If you read up pretty much any information about the dangers of heroin, you will see that they are overdose (which you can prevent by using the right amounts), risk…

From the information you presented, I did learn that heroin has minimal danger of causing neurotxicity, which is great. Thanks for that.

Sincerely, I apologize for being so non-collaborative in our search for answers.

Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs for personal use

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Post by zamalek »

How are they skirting around the narcotics treaty[1]? So far as I understand, that treaty is a significant hurdle for most countries considering or implementing legalization. Are they just ignoring it?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_...

Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs for personal use

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Post by corin_ »

bcook wrote: post #162
corin_ wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an interesting brief-read: http://lifeprocessprogram.com/lp-blog/library/the-persistent... Here's a paper about treating opiate addicts with pure heroin and it having positive effects: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.... If you read up pretty much any information about the dangers of heroin, you will see that they are overdose (which you can prevent by using the right amounts), risk…

From the information you presented, I did learn that heroin has minimal danger of causing neurotxicity, which is great. Thanks for that. Sincerely, I apologize for being so non-collaborative in our search for answers.

NP.

I guess overdose being the biggest risk is subjective - if a substance gets you addicted but never kills you then personally I'd consider that less bad than a substance that doesn't get you addicted but could kill you - so I'd rather use pure heroin than, for example, cocaine or un-pure heroin. Not that I plan on trying regardless, myself.

Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs for personal use

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Post by alexqgb »

tonyarkles wrote: post #87
alexqgb wrote: post #51

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Exactly. One person's idea of a half-baked measure is another's idea of incremental progress. When you can demonstrate that some of what reactionaries believe is flatly wrong it gets a lot easier to chip away at the rest of the errors they've managed to enshrine in law.

And yet another's idea of a slippery slope, sliding towards chaos and the downfall of society. I personally think this is a good idea, but it's pretty clear to me that that's not a universally-held opinion.

It's pretty close to universally held among decent, intelligent people who aren't personally invested in the drug war. As time goes by, and more governments successfully turn their backs on the drug warriors, support for the drug war will become a badge of corruption, idiocy, or worse.

Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs for personal use

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Post by malka »

corin_ wrote: post #151
malka wrote: post #148

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30% how generous. In EU the average purity for heroin is ~2%.

Wikipedia states "The average purity of street heroin in the UK varies between 30% and 50% and heroin that has been seized at the border has purity levels between 40% and 60%" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Adverse_effects ). It doesn't actually have a citation that confirms that, but another quick google gives http://drugscope.org.uk/how-pure-are-street-drugs/ saying "The 2010/11 police recorded average puri…

I stand corrected, my information was wrong. Thanks for the sources.
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