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Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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This reminds me very much of the situation we had here in Switzerland. Two years ago Nestle's Swiss patent on their capsules expired, so now the market gets flooded with third party 'compatible' capsules. Lately they've introduced new Nespresso machines that automatically eject the used capsules using an electric motor. This has introduced much smaller tolerances, so the machine often gets stuck on third party capsules.

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I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

> I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work Yes... that is also a problem.

That's about a gallon and change. Depending on your drive that might not be too bad.

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I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

I have a Breville machine that allows you to pour in a heap of coffee beans, and it grinds and automatically fills the filter with your desired strength based on how much water you put in the machine. I believe they also make one that has a water reservoir that you periodically fill and you can just dial in a cup amount and it does everything else for you. I've been pretty happy with it since I get fresh ground coffe…

At the place I used to work we had one similar (I think Delonghi), except it automatically cleaned the filter. Every so often you would have to empty the tank of used grounds, but other than that it was just a case of finding a cup and pressing the button. It cost about $1000 mind...

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> I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work .. My time has value Why do you value time in the car (or monster truck) so highly?

Incidentally, a gallon of gas seems to weigh about 6 pounds. So 7 pounds is a bit over a gallon, which probably gets you around 30 miles or so in an average car with decent fuel economy. On the commuting statistics I can find, look like around 8% of Americans commute about that far. So OP is probably a standard deviation or so past average for either distance or fuel economy, but nothing crazy. Assuming he didn't jus…

I was trying to use the US average. A 15 mile commute each way is about 1 gallon of gas per day. I thought that was 7 lbs, but my memory was incorrect as that is the density of diesel/jet fuel. Gasoline is closer to 6 lbs per gallon as you say.

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Keurig coffee is terrible. It violates two of the most important principles of making good coffee: time and pressure. Making good coffee in 3 seconds with a ton of pressure that destroys the bean is impossible. 10 seconds of extraction at the pressure that Keurig does it at will only ever yield flavors of "burnt" and "chocolatey-ish-I-think?"

I've never heard this "pressure destroys the bean" theory. Are you claiming all espresso is burnt or chocolatey?

I don't know about the other folks hanging around these parts, but I'll go along with that claim. It's also caffeine deficient.

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I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

> My time has value

Well, aren't you special? There's no difference in time spent using a standard all-in-one grinder/coffeemaker vs. a Keurig, and the results are going to be better-tasting.

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> I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work Yes... that is also a problem.

That's about a gallon and change. Depending on your drive that might not be too bad.

25-30 miles is right on the cusp of "an unmanageably long commute", to me. Especially if anything goes wrong.

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If optimizing 57 seconds of your day makes such a drastic difference, you are doing a vast number of things wrong.

I don't think the parent implied it was drastic. How does it make sense to project that calculation onto another person to begin with? Their time is not yours, and every person values their time differently. It means your statement of them doing a vast number of things wrong must inherently be false, because there is no objective "wrong" there.

The comment is certainly a bit overgeneralized, but it raises some important points.

I've been a "time-peeler" for a large part of my life, and when I stopped being such, I became way more productive. This happened because I started to waste less and less time on things which didn't really matter.

In certain cultures where most of the people watches TV, for hours every day (in average), then you start to see what's wrong with saving 57 seconds.

In addition to that, somebody pointed that the structure is incredibly wasteful. For some reason, there's this widespread vision of sustainability where the responsibility is somebody else's. If this is not accepted in simple things at the bottom, where should it starts from?

In this terms, the comments make sense, although of course, it's not possible to say if it applies to a given person.

With these things in mind, while there are no "objective wrongs", in the big perspective, there are objective foolishnesses, to say the least.

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It might end up just being a new shape but the CEO's wording implies that it will be closer to what is used in printer ink cartridges. Following the trail from the submitted article to the article it links to and to the article that one links to finally takes us to the transcript of the CEO's earnings call: http://seekingalpha.com/article/1853341-green-mountain-coffe... "While we're still not willing to discuss speci…

To ensure the system delivers on the promise of excellent quality beverages produced simply and consistently every brew every time, we use interactive technology to help us perfectly brew all Keurig brew packs. This sounds remarkably similar to Tassimo's bar code system on the surface.

Which in turn sounds remarkably similar to the barcodes and the pattern of aluminum pads (which were read out by spring contacts that sensed the electrical conductivity) on 35mm film cartridges.
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