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Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by s-topper »

kamaal wrote: post #145
shas3 wrote: post #110

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My father used to work for ISRO too, from '74 to '97. He started with Satish Dhawan, one of the founders of the Indian space program. They moved at the same time from IISc. I agree with everything deepGem has to say about ISRO. It is far from the 'third world space program' that many like to romanticize. Few thoughts: - There is a common myth, one about how Indians used bullock carts to test the antennas on a satelli…

I wanted to comment on the other comment, but those people were getting abusive and had to stop there. >>My father used to work for ISRO too, from '74 to '97. This is comparing Apples to Oranges. 1974 India had such a dismal technology scene, ISRO would have looked like India's technology paradise back then. What were the opportunities for technology folks then? Trying settling down in Europe or US, if you can't the…

You're the one who's comparing Apples to Oranges. Nobody here are worried about ISRO salary, perks etc. (they are actually good).

No one's comparing ISRO to Google or NASA or SpaceX or whatever. You simply started off with this unnecessary, unwanted posts that aren't even remotely true; hopping from one topic to another without any relevance.

Since you don't have any firsthand experience, please stop it since your posts are just a noise around here in this thread. You've difficulty in accepting it and you simply keep hopping from one thing to another.

Why are you not trying to get a job at Google and relocate to USA, or buy one of those 80 lakh flats at Bangalore.

Don't worry about ISRO. They'll be fine.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by kamaal »

s-topper wrote: post #151
kamaal wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to comment on the other comment, but those people were getting abusive and had to stop there. >>My father used to work for ISRO too, from '74 to '97. This is comparing Apples to Oranges. 1974 India had such a dismal technology scene, ISRO would have looked like India's technology paradise back then. What were the opportunities for technology folks then? Trying settling down in Europe or US, if you can't the…

You're the one who's comparing Apples to Oranges. Nobody here are worried about ISRO salary, perks etc. (they are actually good). No one's comparing ISRO to Google or NASA or SpaceX or whatever. You simply started off with this unnecessary, unwanted posts that aren't even remotely true; hopping from one topic to another without any relevance. Since you don't have any firsthand experience, please stop it since your po…

>>Nobody here are worried about ISRO salary, perks etc. (they are actually good).

Here? You created your account 19 hours back, just for this thread. What do you know about things 'here'?

I didn't even reply to you. I am not sure why a Karma 15 account like yours created 19 hours back(Which is a classic troll account sign, which trolls create to work on a specific thread on a particular day) should be even taken seriously.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by s-topper »

kamaal wrote: post #152
s-topper wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the one who's comparing Apples to Oranges. Nobody here are worried about ISRO salary, perks etc. (they are actually good). No one's comparing ISRO to Google or NASA or SpaceX or whatever. You simply started off with this unnecessary, unwanted posts that aren't even remotely true; hopping from one topic to another without any relevance. Since you don't have any firsthand experience, please stop it since your po…

>>Nobody here are worried about ISRO salary, perks etc. (they are actually good). Here? You created your account 19 hours back, just for this thread. What do you know about things 'here'? I didn't even reply to you. I am not sure why a Karma 15 account like yours created 19 hours back(Which is a classic troll account sign, which trolls create to work on a specific thread on a particular day) should be even taken seri…

>Here? You created your account 19 hours back, just for this thread. What do you know about things 'here'?

http://xkcd.com/386/ :)

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by terranstyler »

terranstyler wrote: post #17

I suppose the mass of 1337 kg increases the PR effect of the tax payer funded show?

The rupee is in semi-free fall, the economy is tanking; yet there is a bunch of downvotes if I point out that Mars missions are paid by the tax payer and add nothing to the quality of life of an Indian.

Except maybe for the patriots that are unable to distinguish between government and people. Stupid money spending is nothing to be proud of.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by wil421 »

dharmach wrote: post #137
wil421 wrote: post #101

I have met a lot of Brilliant people from India that have blow me away on their technical knowledge. What is stopping them from helping to fix the infrastructure problem that India has? A lot of educated people seem to be seeking a way out to another country. While most of the people in India are living in poverty and have no chance of a decent education. Forget Mars, for India the problems are too great at home.

Technological advancement is necessary for protecting India from international thugs (Please check the world history).

Yes but if they are all leaving India to make technological advancements elsewhere, then how is that protecting India from thugs?

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by yashg »

pagade wrote: post #83
DanBC wrote: post #80

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> How many countries achieve this after having these many "core" problems. It is a great feat! It's confusing to me how India can plan something like this, but cannot fix the problem of buying train tickets. I've heard that the queues can be quite long. But it is exciting to see India sending things into space.

If you meant buying online, the problem was solved long back.. https://www.irctc.co.in/ Believe me the website works and is used by millions.. Queues still remain long due to lack of computer literacy and reach of internet..

And not to mention it is India's largest ecommerce site :)

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by discardorama »

UweSchmidt wrote: post #149
discardorama wrote: post #143

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> You point out that "poverty/hunger/education..." have improved despite Space. I did no such thing. I'm saying that you can't wait to solve all problems before you take on space exploration. They are not mutually exclusive. One can do space exploration while simultaneously working to alleviate poverty/hunger/illiteracy/etc. The example of the US in 1961 was meant to illustrate that: the US was fighting a war in Viet…

Fair enough. All nations have budgets for a multitude of programs and can work simultaneously on different goals. Obviously, they all draw from a single ressource, money, and therefore priorties have to be weighted carefully. Overall I'm not getting many good arguments on how to handle this except "Why, things have improved, haven't they? Give me Star Trek" and "Bigots!". I suspect that this is because Space fans are…

You're making strawman arguments. I'm no space fan; I'm just a fan of science and tech. I believe that a country the size of India can multitask: it can work on alleviating poverty/hunger/etc. while at the same time spending a little bit on space exploration. In fact, name any space-exploring country, and I can point out some social ill that money could be solving.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by ruchir »

bolder88 wrote: post #114
factorialboy wrote: post #43

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Maybe, just maybe, the British should not have colonized and looted India and parts of Asia and Africa for 300 years?

So you believe that the current British, should be paying money for crimes committed by their ancestors? Personally, I don't think people should pay for other peoples mistakes, even if they happen to be born in the same country.

Well it was clear from WW2 records that British were not willing to pay India even for the support India gave to them during the war. They only relented in the face of American pressure. Records also show that much of the 'development' in India such as railways was made practicable by Indian capital and labor, while the rewards of it all went directly to finance the Industrial Revolution in the west. The 'why' of this mindset of take-take only became clear to me when I followed events after the British losses of American colonies.

When any side feels the dominant emotion of 'loss', it makes it do selfish things to avoid future losses. But that extracts more losses from the other side and so the cycle can continue.

In the light of all that history, which current Indians being on the receiving side remember more than the British, any help the British give to India is at least perceived by India in a positive way.

As to the extent of the monetary help - its effect is limited by the ability of the recipient to absorb it. For analogy, YC reduced the investment into each startup down from $150k as it made things worse, not better.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by ruchir »

wil421 wrote: post #101

I have met a lot of Brilliant people from India that have blow me away on their technical knowledge. What is stopping them from helping to fix the infrastructure problem that India has? A lot of educated people seem to be seeking a way out to another country. While most of the people in India are living in poverty and have no chance of a decent education. Forget Mars, for India the problems are too great at home.

From the Indian perspective, one has to flip the question. The question is how did the rest of the world get so advanced ? Unless Indians travel elsewhere they will not find out.
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