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Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by chetanahuja »

wil421 wrote: post #101

I have met a lot of Brilliant people from India that have blow me away on their technical knowledge. What is stopping them from helping to fix the infrastructure problem that India has? A lot of educated people seem to be seeking a way out to another country. While most of the people in India are living in poverty and have no chance of a decent education. Forget Mars, for India the problems are too great at home.

Unfortunately the massive social problems of India (or any society for that matter) are not fixable by technology for the most part. For the part that are susceptible to a technological (and managerial) solution, there's plenty of interesting work going on.. e.g. http://www.infowars.com/cashless-society-india-implements-fi...

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by sateesh »

dragonwriter wrote: post #130
sateesh wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is there is no rational bias to distinguish between ritual and superstition and to tell that one form makes better sense than the other. In my opinion both doesn't make any good sense.

Ritual is a description of a kind of routinized action; superstition is a description of belief. You might engage in ritual because of superstition, but they are very much not the same thing, and you can have ritual without superstition and superstition without ritual.

Agreed, ritual and superstition are not the same. But both are similar in nature that one cannot rationally question the set of steps that are followed (as in ritual) or the belief (superstition). Most of the times they are supposed to be accepted as given/prescribed. Any challenge to them and deviation from them is not well tolerated. Also the probable rationale attached to them might have been have been relevant during a distant past and might be no longer relevant in present day.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by bolder88 »

harichinnan wrote: post #118
bolder88 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, I copy and pasted the wrong bit. But the point stands.

No sir, are you complaining about the #280 million aid to India? That's a pittance to the 1.8 trillion dollar and growing economy India is. Sure there are poor people. But we are a growing economy and have a greater need for technology than U.K has. That was always our ticket to prosperity. Who knows, this might open up an Indian empire in the future solar system economy :-)

Yes I am complaining about the £280m send to India. There are a lot of other causes closer to home that would benefit greatly from it.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by manojlds »

bolder88 wrote: post #109
manojlds wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remittances are money that Indians working abroad sent back to India. Is that aid??? And the quote again talks about "foreign direct investments". FDI. Does that read aid? Where are you quoting that from? It is not good form to give a quote without a link. And you make a quote and come to a conclusion about aid. Btw, the UK aid to India is £280m. Edit - Probably this one - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/18…

Thanks, I copy and pasted the wrong bit. But the point stands.

It is exactly that a country like India, with a growing population, that needs to invest in space exploration. We are going to inhabit other planets if we are to continue our species.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by wil421 »

chetanahuja wrote: post #131
wil421 wrote: post #101

I have met a lot of Brilliant people from India that have blow me away on their technical knowledge. What is stopping them from helping to fix the infrastructure problem that India has? A lot of educated people seem to be seeking a way out to another country. While most of the people in India are living in poverty and have no chance of a decent education. Forget Mars, for India the problems are too great at home.

Unfortunately the massive social problems of India (or any society for that matter) are not fixable by technology for the most part. For the part that are susceptible to a technological (and managerial) solution, there's plenty of interesting work going on.. e.g. http://www.infowars.com/cashless-society-india-implements-fi...

Well by technical I mean the engineering fields also. I assume there are people in the less technology focuses engineering fields such as civil and mechanical engineering.

But social problems are a different breed. It would be remarkable if India could do what China is doing infrastructure wise at least. My knowledge is limited and I am still an outsider looking in at both countries.

Edit: The link you provided mentioned corruption as a big problem in India. Engineers cant solve that problem.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by mturmon »

jayadevan wrote: post #4
hislaziness wrote: post #3

Why ISROs Mars Mission is cheapest? http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-10-31/news...

Much of the designs & research is "adapted". Hence, cheaper?

I think there have been a lot of lessons learned and tech transfer from earlier lunar and Mars missions. Chandrayaan-1 involved a lot of experts from NASA and ESA, for example, because both agencies had instruments on board. (I'm acquainted with one of these payload specialists.)

Some of the willingness to do that tech transfer is basically boosting India as a counterweight to China's space ambitions.

Also, remember that Chandrayaan-1 failed early. It's a steep learning curve.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by dharmach »

wil421 wrote: post #101

I have met a lot of Brilliant people from India that have blow me away on their technical knowledge. What is stopping them from helping to fix the infrastructure problem that India has? A lot of educated people seem to be seeking a way out to another country. While most of the people in India are living in poverty and have no chance of a decent education. Forget Mars, for India the problems are too great at home.

Technological advancement is necessary for protecting India from international thugs (Please check the world history).

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by saraid216 »

deepGem wrote: post #94
kamaal wrote: post #26

Those people claiming ISRO does it at a shoe string budget, because they reuse yes they do. But we are talking of a factor of more 10 here. Let me put facts on ground. Go and visit any ISRO campus in India. See the kind of offices they work in, they kind of food canteens they eat lunch at, they kind of buses they travel in and take a look at how much they are paid. I assure you will be shocked. In fact shocked will b…

My dad worked at ISRO for 30+ years and is now retired - so what I'm saying has some merit. I don't know where you are getting the impression that ISRO engineers aren't paid well. Sure, they are not paid Google salaries but they are no way paid peanuts. A fresh engineering graduate will stand to get around 40K INR per month. Please not that if you are not landing up a software job, in India, it's a pretty shitty mark…

> A fresh engineering graduate will stand to get around 40K INR per month.

According to the Googlez, this is 650 USD/mo. This does not seem like much to me, but I live in Seattle.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by truthteller »

factorialboy wrote: post #43
bolder88 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the bigger questions is international aid. "Since 2007 India has been the world's largest recipient of recorded remittances from abroad. In 2010 these inflows were worth $54bn (£35bn). UK foreign direct investment in India is considerable, reaching £1.8bn in the same year." You can't really on the one hand claim your country is terribly poor, and needs handouts from other nations, and on the other play at bein…

Maybe, just maybe, the British should not have colonized and looted India and parts of Asia and Africa for 300 years?

without British rule India would be an even bigger shit hole.

Re: Mangalyaan, India’s First Mars Mission

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Post by latj »

saraid216 wrote: post #138
deepGem wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad worked at ISRO for 30+ years and is now retired - so what I'm saying has some merit. I don't know where you are getting the impression that ISRO engineers aren't paid well. Sure, they are not paid Google salaries but they are no way paid peanuts. A fresh engineering graduate will stand to get around 40K INR per month. Please not that if you are not landing up a software job, in India, it's a pretty shitty mark…

> A fresh engineering graduate will stand to get around 40K INR per month. According to the Googlez, this is 650 USD/mo. This does not seem like much to me, but I live in Seattle.

According to the Internet $650 in Bangalore is $4700 in Seattle. Thats about what you'd start out at as a programmer in the midwest U.S. but kind of low for west coast. Still, a kid straight out of college with no health problems or baby mamas should be fine. Edit: wolframalpha seems to have something to say but its kind of confusing: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%24650+in+bangalore+in+...
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