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Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Post by 3327 »

nosequel wrote: post #134
3327 wrote: post #80

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Sorry, but this study is a joke. If you think this is a study that validates your belief go ahead. But I will take any seasoned athlete's take on something than a half assed study funded by who knows who. These things take years to prove and large studies over long periods of time. IF you want to justify your own whey protein habits with this thats just you. > my 2 cents means my two cents, you take it as you will. H…

What do you mean by "this" study? I linked to page that linked to tons of studies, all with ratings on how well they did each study. I think you need to figure out how to internet man, oh and s/of/off/ it is driving me nuts how ridiculous "get of whey" sounds.

did you actually take a look at any of the studies? Not a single study where n > 100, in fact average is around 30. This is not youtube, its HN so please save the dudebro commentary and insult tone to your normal domain.

Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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rdouble wrote: post #52
raverbashing wrote: post #9

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Actually, you're doing it right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_interval_trainin... Or just compare 100m competitors with marathon competitors for muscle mass

The body type of world class 100m competitors is due to genetics and steroids. Sprint workouts don't make people muscular. Muscular guys gravitate towards those events. Also, HIIT workouts are nothing like what 100m runners do to train.

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Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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3327 wrote: post #80
nosequel wrote: post #56

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Nice job, no scientific evidence, but your "friend" had a heart attack. Just pure amazing post my friend. Oh, so I don't fall into the same trap, here are scientific studies in favor of Whey protein: http://examine.com/supplements/Whey+Protein/#main_clinical_r... TLDR - http://s3.roosterteeth.com/images/Ataxx50e4c5160c877.jpg

Sorry, but this study is a joke. If you think this is a study that validates your belief go ahead. But I will take any seasoned athlete's take on something than a half assed study funded by who knows who. These things take years to prove and large studies over long periods of time. IF you want to justify your own whey protein habits with this thats just you. > my 2 cents means my two cents, you take it as you will. H…

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Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Post by rdouble »

orangethirty wrote: post #148
unoti wrote: post #4

I've been doing strength training (the program is called Stronglifts 5x5[1]) with freeweights for about 9 months now. I just turned 44, and I've never felt better, and I'm stronger now than I have ever been. The program I use describes 3 simple exercises to do 3 times a week, and each workout takes me 30-45 minutes. Very little equipment is needed. It's hard to find good information about this on the net that covers…

May you describe exactly what type of equipment do I have to buy? Dumb it down, please.

To get started with home weightlifting, you want an Olympic barbell, rubber "bumper plate" type weights, and a squat stand. If you have the room a squat cage and a bench are also useful.

Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Post by gamblor956 »

cgh wrote: post #115
3327 wrote: post #35

here is my 2 cents. Im a coder, developer but I am ripped (sorry for the self love) I work out like crazy and actively surf / kitesurf, rockclimb. So my gym sessions have always had a purpose - to make myself stronger per the requirements of those sports. So my 2 cents - get of the whey protein. don't take it do not touch it. I have no scientific evidence but way too many people are on that and no long term studies.…

I climb 5.13+ and take whey protein every day. I am 43 years old. So there's my anecdotal evidence that it's good for you.

Do train at an indoor gym or mostly outdoors?

Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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[deleted] wrote: post #152
rdouble wrote: post #52

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The body type of world class 100m competitors is due to genetics and steroids. Sprint workouts don't make people muscular. Muscular guys gravitate towards those events. Also, HIIT workouts are nothing like what 100m runners do to train.

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Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Post by Shivetya »

drexel wrote: post #47
unoti wrote: post #4

I've been doing strength training (the program is called Stronglifts 5x5[1]) with freeweights for about 9 months now. I just turned 44, and I've never felt better, and I'm stronger now than I have ever been. The program I use describes 3 simple exercises to do 3 times a week, and each workout takes me 30-45 minutes. Very little equipment is needed. It's hard to find good information about this on the net that covers…

The book "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe (book and author pretty much universally lauded by the strength training community) is also a great starting point. Beginners can often become overwhelmed by all the differing viewpoints and training methods presented to them when researching strength training but (besides avoiding injury by maintaining proper form and generally listening to your body to allow sufficient…

Looking for recommendations to add to my home gym, which currently only consists of an elliptical, mat, pull up bar, push up grips, a couple of exercise balls, 3 and 5lb barbells.

What is safe to have at home? I want to avoid a resistance machine or similar, mostly because they look ghastly, and secondly seeing so many on CL leads to believe they are more hype than health.

Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Post by cgh »

gamblor956 wrote: post #155
cgh wrote: post #115

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I climb 5.13+ and take whey protein every day. I am 43 years old. So there's my anecdotal evidence that it's good for you.

Do train at an indoor gym or mostly outdoors?

I train on a fingerboard mostly, and climb outside quite a lot during the season (which around here is basically April-October). If you are a relatively experienced climber with good movement, then fingerboarding is the secret sauce.

Some other training ideas: your finger extensors are extremely important and making them stronger will improve your contact strength (somewhat paradoxically). There are many exercises to improve them.

Also, work your entire hand, not just contact strength. I strongly (haha) recommend Captains of Crush grippers. They don't directly translate to climbing, but they will make you stronger and balance everything out.

As for a specific fingerboarding plan: google "Eva Lopez".

Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Post by ignostic »

micro_cam wrote: post #141
ignostic wrote: post #126

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Criticism regarding association, while valid, is largely irrelevant. You need to understand that a clinical trial on this matter is nearly impossible. 1) Imagine the cost of holding a clinical trial over 20 years. 2) Imagine the difficulty of trying to get people to adhere to a workout routine for 20 years! 3) Given what we already know, it's probably unethical to tell a control group not to exercise or build signifi…

First, I believe that strength training is good for you and do a ton of it in the form of rock climbing. As a scientist I dislike the trend of observational studies getting massive press (see associations between Wine, Coffee, Chocolate etc and health/lifespan) because, as you say, we are doing (and should be funding more) studies on some of the underlying mechanisms but it is difficult to summarize them in a punchy…

You'll see no argument from me there. Understanding underlying mechanisms requires a degree of systemic knowledge far beyond that needed for an observational study, which is one reason we see far fewer of them. The other reason is funding. We are just beginning to understand how the brain works, and for one of the most promising and important areas of research it's remarkably poorly funded.

Re: Association between muscular strength and mortality in men (2008) [pdf]

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Post by JPKab »

sofal wrote: post #147
kyllo wrote: post #62

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In the absence of pre-existing knee issues I would wager that there's something wrong with your squat form. Do you squat below parallel? Do you sit back with your weight on your heels and spread your knees apart when squatting? Have you tried taking a video (from the side) of yourself barbell squatting and posting it to one of the major lifting forums for a "form check?" You can get a lot of good form/technique feedb…

I try to go down to parallel, and I do sit back on my heels and spread my knees apart. I have not done the video thing but I have researched it and had it critiqued by people at the gym and by physical therapists. The amount of time I've spent trying to refine my form and then have it do nothing for me is demoralizing. I understand that's the only suggestion people can come up with, and I understand why. I mean, I'm…

Yeah, it sounds like you have aggressively pursued using correct form. For most people, form is the issue, but I get the feeling that you might just have a physiological issue with doing squats. Have you tried leg presses as a substitute?

Another possible thing to TRY (if it hurts don't do it) are Goblet Squats. Look up a youtube video and you will quickly see what it is. It is a very effective way of increasing hip mobility so that if/when you do try to do squats again your hip flexors will take the weight instead of your knees.

Also, (this is extremely important), google "low bar squat form." Anyone with knee issues should be doing low bar squats (in fact they are all I do, because they are as good as high bars but easier on the knees). If the bar isn't resting BEHIND the traps and on top of the delts, then you are doing a high bar squat which puts far more stress on the knees.

Look up videos by Rippetoe. He is controversial for advanced lifters, but for beginners he is a good resource. He is also a huge advocate of the low bar squat, and he has a video on Vimeo where he talks for several minutes in detail about positioning the bar for the low bar squat. Get the bar position correct, and the squat will take care of itself.

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