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US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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The EU should cut all ties with the US, tax US products and impose costly (and difficult to get) visas to American citizens wanting to visit. It won't do any of this because it has no balls and no vision. We're doomed and it's our fault.

> no balls and no vision Seems to me they’re waiting it out. Everything could change in a presidential election and the European economy wins either way. It is an economic bloc after all. What you describe would be what’s called “cutting off your nose to spite your face”

> Everything could change in a presidential election

Not really, not immediately, IMO. And if they could, that would be a problem in itself.

It will take some time to undo what has been done and will still be done in the current term. To change things back quickly would take both someone despotic on “the other side” willing to force things through with executive orders, and have the general support needed to weather the negative PR associated with that, and (perhaps more importantly) insufficient kick-back getting those orders quickly reverted or watered down. Even if they elect someone, and a team around them, who is willing and able to work that way, the changes made recently include changes that will make them harder to roll back on. And even if things do get magically fixed in the next term, that would just prove how quickly they could be unfixed again four years later.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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I agree with everything you have written here, however even in the face of that it makes “economic” sense for the EU to wait it out.

If it means "be strategic and start making necessary long term adjustements without entering useless temporary pissing contests" I agree. If it means "wait and change nothing long term, hope it will be better" I dont.

I think a lot of European nations have been reevaluating their relationship with the US. Digital sovereignty in particular is a burning topic.

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Tbf it could reduce hiring friction and make it easier to take a chance on a riskier hire. Also makes it easier for workers to change jobs, notice periods here can be outright insane (3 months in some cases) and even as an employee I hated them.

Is a 6 month probationary period not good enough to take a chance?

Longest I’ve seen in NL is 2 months, and it’s usually one. It’s common to string multiple “temporary” contracts together though.

It still increases switching cost. As a worker with a permanent contract I have to weigh new opportunities against losing that. And it has real impacts! Getting a mortgage is harder on a temp contract (doable in NL, basically impossible in Ireland)

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Alternately, it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe. The Dutch American Friendship Treaty accidentally enables this and has become quite popular, but is only for one country.

And then what's gonna happen to the (already fucked)Dutch housing market? > it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe Only if it's bidirectional. If Americans can gentrify me out of the EU housing market with their higher purchasing power, then I should also have access to their labor market for those six figure…

Wow, if only it were possible to build new homes. Might mean less parking though!

Anyway, the number of Europeans starting companies in California suggests something is deeply wrong in Europe.

Incidentally DAFT is nominally bidirectional, but as usual the US makes it more onerous. There’s a similar agreement with NL and Japan, actually.

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The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.

bans and limits just hurt consumers and freedom of speech. data regulation is useless as you said. what china actually did is a lot better. they ignored decades worth of friedman inspired economic "theory" and started directly investing in their own industry. most successful chinese tech companies are a joint venture between state owned, municipal and private capital. you can get loans way under market rate if you ha…

FWIW the EU is a basically a large subsidies-handing body. They do pick winners (like with solar companies) but it did not work.

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The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.

The EU should cut all ties with the US, tax US products and impose costly (and difficult to get) visas to American citizens wanting to visit. It won't do any of this because it has no balls and no vision. We're doomed and it's our fault.

The main blocker for this was that Trump extended this to the military domain. I.e., tax US hyperscalers and Ukraine does not get US weapons/information anymore. Becoming independent from the US in the military domain will take some work.

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> As a European citizen I do not trust entities located in the US to not abuse my private data ever since the patriot act. EU is working on mandating scans of all your private encrypted messages right now. EU data protection is marketing for the gullible. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48707719

A small group of people from the EU parliament is going against the wishes of the EU commission in an attempt to force through a change that contains a subsection of the bill that tries to mandate E2EE scanning. The way this is going is definitely worrying, but what you're saying is disingenous at best. Furthermore, even if this passes somehow, that doesn't change the fact that the US remains an unreliable partner. N…

> A small group of people from the EU parliament is going against the wishes of the EU commission in an attempt to force through a change that contains a subsection of the bill that tries to mandate E2EE scanning

What are you talking about? It is the EU Commission's wish together with EPP to scan everything including E2EE, photos, videos. The original proposal even had a section about analyzing voice calls.

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pariah: outcast, disliked piranha: carnivorous fish

> piranha: carnivorous fish Nice callout. Neither here nor there, but many (most?) fish are carnivorous.

Pesca pescatarian - would be a cuisine made entirely of fish that eat other fish?

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The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.

Outright bans would destroy European companies that rely on American companies. First they need to build their own infrastructure (which China has done).

Europe has Jolla and Fairphone (who could surely work out something with GrapheneOS). Seems like the problem is will.

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pariah: outcast, disliked piranha: carnivorous fish

> piranha: carnivorous fish Nice callout. Neither here nor there, but many (most?) fish are carnivorous.

Apparently not piranhas, they seem to be omnivorous!
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