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California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by cladopa »

jchw wrote: post #34
umvi wrote: post #28

> The required technology is not possible - 3D printers read code, not intent; they cannot tell what a shape is for. "Anthropic announces Project Disarm, a new model designed for 3d printer manufacturers to quickly infer whether the intent of an stl file is a weapon. The printer first submits the job to the cloud, and only after it's approved will it print." Not that I want this future, just that I can imagine it.

Based on the fact that Claude Opus 4.8 decided I needed a cybersecurity exemption to debug a stupid pure virtual call bug (basically virtual method called inside of destructor) that I had already found, oh boy, I sure would love to have my 3D prints analyzed by Anthropic safe guards. We should also ensure that nothing shaped like a dildo can be printed without scanning our face and genitalia and keeping it on file wi…

Frankly who cares about dildos when your personal freedom and private property of you and your family is at stake.You can buy uncountable dildo models in a shop.

I recently was in Venezuela, I have been in Cuba. I am a native spaniard. There you have a group of people that took control of the weapons in the country and uses it to basically enslave the rest of the country.

When the people in power have automatic weapons and you don't there is basically nothing you can do to defend yourself from the abuses of power.

That is a real thing the people in power have wet dreams and would love to do in any country, including the US.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

rangestransform wrote: post #145
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to have a voice in how the regulation is implemented, perhaps you should offer suggestions for how to implement it better. That's how it works in most industries; legislators propose to enact regulation X, manufacturers respond that X would have undesirable consequences and Y would be better, and then they discuss to figure out how to best balance all the competing interests. For reasons that aren't entir…

I would rather just accept more crime than accept draconian regulation telling me what I can do with a piece of hardware I own Go solve gun crime with boots on the ground instead

Again, it seems like there's a critical insight that's gone missing between the first and second lines of your post. It's unsurprising that a manufacturer might prefer to be regulated less rather than more, and there are a number of cases where I ultimately agree with some manufacturer or another on that. Perhaps it's the case that gun crime would be best resolved with boots on the ground; I could imagine being persuaded by someone who explains where the boots are going to come from and why they're not already there. Maybe I could even be persuaded that 3D printing is more important than crime reduction, although I'm less able to imagine what would convince me of that.

It's incredibly bizarre that you feel entitled to issue commands about what I or the California legislature must do instead of passing the regulations you don't like. What is your mental model of the world, where someone would read the words "Go solve gun crime with boots on the ground instead" and not become more passionate about the idea that we must regulate you whether you like it or not?

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by parineum »

jojobas wrote: post #149
parineum wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many ridiculous bills get introduced in the house you can find one that says anything.

You didn't think this one was real, or did you?

I don't doubt that it is but I didn't check. The point is that you can probably find a HR to propose allowing aliens to land in the grand canyon.

The existence of a house resolution mean that one representative wrote a thing, not that it's on the precipice of becoming law.

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Post by hooverd »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #138
bluescrn wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long until people get police showing up at their door because they tried to print something harmless but gun-shaped (like a light gun for retro games, or Nerf-style toys) and were flagged by the AI 'firearm detector'?

If you want to have a voice in how the regulation is implemented, perhaps you should offer suggestions for how to implement it better. That's how it works in most industries; legislators propose to enact regulation X, manufacturers respond that X would have undesirable consequences and Y would be better, and then they discuss to figure out how to best balance all the competing interests. For reasons that aren't entir…

Why not focus on the actual gun problem, handguns, and not histrionics about ghost guns and SBRs?

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by kazinator »

umvi wrote: post #28

> The required technology is not possible - 3D printers read code, not intent; they cannot tell what a shape is for. "Anthropic announces Project Disarm, a new model designed for 3d printer manufacturers to quickly infer whether the intent of an stl file is a weapon. The printer first submits the job to the cloud, and only after it's approved will it print." Not that I want this future, just that I can imagine it.

A dedicated model for this purpose could easily run locally. Recognizing shapes is not exactly cutting age AI.

The input to the detector could be not the G code instructions, but a 3D model representation recovered by simulating the G code. (That's a thing that exists.)

The requirements for a 3D printer which detects weapon shapes is actually fairly realistic.

It would likely have laughable false positives: 8-year-old Johnny not being able to 3D print a squirt pistol.

Some common tools have pistol-like form factors: spray guns, glue/grease/caulking guns, drills, hair dryers.

It is a cockamamie idea; but to claim that it is not doable seems a bit disingenuous.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by AngryData »

int32_64 wrote: post #74

Are 3D-printed guns even remotely reliable, or is it just a moral panic? A brass tube and a pin is probably less likely to fail than 3d printed materials.

It is fearmongering. You technically can print an all-plastic firearm that works for a round or so until they explode, but only after you have already printed and tested and refined multiple times over, and best case it is still an inferior material to metal. I would put it in the same category as "Yeah you can turn a tree trunk into a cannon, tell me when not to come over when you use it." You can probably make a similarly reliable firearm out of fired clay if you put in the same effort.

Some parts in regular firearms can be printed in plastic, guns with polymer parts have existed since polymers existed, but it is only marginally simpler than machining it out of metal. After all you can buy a metal CNC machine for handful of bucks more than a 3d printer and you don't have to worry about shitty materials breaking immediately.

And there are already plenty of examples of hardware store pipe guns that if someone spent more than a day or two working on it would by far surpass anything anyone can print.

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