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Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by FireBeyond »

JdeBP wrote: post #92

There is a long history here, and if you are looking at just the WikiProject and the community ban discussion, you are missing a Hell of a lot. Very short background: Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in 2003. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/707321 Sanger went on to set up Citizendium, a wiki encyclopaedia project organized the way that xe thought one should be organized, with an extensive rulebase and 'consta…

> Sanger re-gained interest in Wikipedia in 2025, but still far more interested in how an encyclopaedia should be governed

Oh no. It's not like a fairly large swathe of admins (and their clingers on) haven't been credibly accused of speed running their contributions just to try to get admin/bureaucrat status. My own Wikipedia history has dozens and dozens of "No" votes on people who either had a serious chance of, or were, elected, who had a contribution history of 80%+ in the WP: namespace, rather than, as you say "than writing an encyclopedia".

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by mghackerlady »

moralestapia wrote: post #143
spidercat wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not particularly relevant, but I'm noticing you using "xe" pronouns for Sanger. Why is that? Just wondering if I am missing more context.

Larry Sanger is very clearly a man and has never expressed any desire to be treated differently than that. JdeBP is misgendering him on purpose, which is a very serious offense and even illegal in many parts of the world. We'll see if this is allowed to stay here.

Could also be a typo. Unlikely on QWERTY, but if JdeBP uses Dvorak or especially Workman that's more likely than JdeBP going out of their way to misgender a man with an obscure neopronoun

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by throwawaypath »

vrganj wrote: post #120
throwawaypath wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Why is that bad? Because it's a far-right conspiracy theory implying Wikipedia editors are Red Guards purging universities, and calls for a counter-purge. In other words, it is a thinly veiled call for violence based on a conspiracy theory. The same conspiracy theory Anders Breivik explicitly cited after murdering 77 people.

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Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by sixothree »

Aurornis wrote: post #97
wongarsu wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting procedural detail is how an admin decided to just close the discussion and ban the user before the mandatory discussion period was over, and got a lot of pushback for the sloppy decision making process. This was overturned, only for another admin to reach the same conclusion seven hours later, after the discussion was online for the mandatory 72 hours (with no consideration for the two hours between th…

Having a labyrinth of rules to follow and then applying them asymmetrically is a classic way to build power for the ingroup and exile outsiders. The ingroup knows the rules well enough that they can wait until an enemy crosses one of the rules, then they have an excuse to punish them. The more rules on the books, the more opportunities to use them against your enemies. When someone inside breaks the rules, it’s treat…

You can build your own wikipedia.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by throwawaypath »

Aurornis wrote: post #97
wongarsu wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting procedural detail is how an admin decided to just close the discussion and ban the user before the mandatory discussion period was over, and got a lot of pushback for the sloppy decision making process. This was overturned, only for another admin to reach the same conclusion seven hours later, after the discussion was online for the mandatory 72 hours (with no consideration for the two hours between th…

Having a labyrinth of rules to follow and then applying them asymmetrically is a classic way to build power for the ingroup and exile outsiders. The ingroup knows the rules well enough that they can wait until an enemy crosses one of the rules, then they have an excuse to punish them. The more rules on the books, the more opportunities to use them against your enemies. When someone inside breaks the rules, it’s treat…

>Having a labyrinth of rules to follow and then applying them asymmetrically is a classic way to build power for the ingroup and exile outsiders.

This is why Codes of Conducts became so popular.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by vrganj »

throwawaypath wrote: post #154
vrganj wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is that bad? Because it's a far-right conspiracy theory implying Wikipedia editors are Red Guards purging universities, and calls for a counter-purge. In other words, it is a thinly veiled call for violence based on a conspiracy theory. The same conspiracy theory Anders Breivik explicitly cited after murdering 77 people.

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It's a rephrasing of the "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory, which was at the core of Breivik's Manifesto. A conspiracy theory that originated as "Cultural Bolshevism", the justification the actual Nazis used to justify their mass murder.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by dotancohen »

JdeBP wrote: post #115
dotancohen wrote: post #108

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He is. His essays have been deleted.

Nope. * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Larry_Sanger/Why_I_am_n... Still there after 23 years.

Well this one was deleted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Larry_Sanger/Ordinary_Leg...

And this one is now pending deletion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Larry_Sanger/Editorial_pa...

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by jdlshore »

dotancohen wrote: post #116
mzajc wrote: post #78

I encourage people to read through his proposed WikiProject's page[0] and the related discussion.[1] Important context is also that WikiProjects are exempt from canvassing rules; members are free to notify each other of ongoing policy discussions with the goal of influencing the outcome. This is usually not a problem, but given how aggressively vague the WikiProject's goals are (eg. "We hope to open Wikipedia up to u…

> advocating for whitelisting of sources like Fox News As I understood it, he wasn't advocating for whitelisting Fox News, he was advocating for removing the blacklist. That's a stark difference. > it's not a good look for Sanger either way. What doesn't look good for him? It doesn't seem that he has an intent other than enabling the viewpoint of those other than the far-left, which compromise almost the entirety of…

> the far-left, which compromise almost the entirety of Wikipedias admins and editors.

Yeah, citation needed on that one.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by pavel_lishin »

moralestapia wrote: post #143
spidercat wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not particularly relevant, but I'm noticing you using "xe" pronouns for Sanger. Why is that? Just wondering if I am missing more context.

Larry Sanger is very clearly a man and has never expressed any desire to be treated differently than that. JdeBP is misgendering him on purpose, which is a very serious offense and even illegal in many parts of the world. We'll see if this is allowed to stay here.

From my understanding, `xe` is a gender-neutral pronoun, no different than using "they".
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