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Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by genewitch »

andrepd wrote: post #114
genewitch wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When i comment that i've researched using AI this way, it short circuits the brain of the listener/viewer and suddenly my sources aren't valid. a bing or google or wiki search to get the primary or secondary sources are okay, but if i use chat.deepseek.com instead, suddenly it isn't okay.

LLMs routinely hallucinate sources. I guess that's why some people feel that way.

Right, but is there a difference between searching, say "acetaminophen and ibuprofen combined in emergency department settings" on google/ddg and asking an AI to give me primary sources for the same - if i am going to use the primary source anyhow? I just mention "i used AI to find this" because usually there's no good way to do a google search, or there wasn't the last time i tried.

For example, is glyphosate the active ingredient in roundup? there are studies that suggest not. I can't remember the university, i can remember the rough decade (2010s). all i know for sure is that someone showed that glyphosate isn't the active ingredient, really.

Deepseek can't find it. ddg doesn't come up with it immediately. I might try "deep think" mode on some other AI later, or use an older LLM model i have locally to see. I have the pdf, i just didn't rename it to be searchable! doggone it.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by tyingq »

gbraad wrote: post #150
tyingq wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were things like "300 employees" and descriptions of the deliberately low key hdq out there before? That counts as actual information to me.

Low-key HQ is normal, as they often share office buildings and external signs need approval/permits. I expect tha5 is also the case in the US, right? I am sure they have a name badge at the first floor, as that is common. > 300 people What did you expect, thousands?

It mentioned the lobby also, not just external signage. Yes, it's unusual to be that low profile.

I did not have expectations about the number, but now there is a number.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by kasey_junk »

trollbridge wrote: post #138
kasey_junk wrote: post #134

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lol. That is some really good history rewriting. My grandparents didn’t get sick days! If you were sick there was a good chance you lost your job (except my grandmother who was college educated and was a public school teacher). None of them worked for the same firm for 30 years because they’d get laid off, or go on strike or the plant would shut down or the crop would fail and they’d have to go get a factory job. Thi…

My grandparents (in the United States) all got sick days. One grandfather drove coal trucks in and out of an open pit coal mine. The other one was a letter carrier, and for a short while owned a dry-cleaning finishing business. (One reason they got out of owning their own business was the stress of things like how you don't get sick days when you are your own boss.) My grandma who worked at an insurance office was li…

Sounds nice. One grandmother told stories about her rich uncle who had a great job in the coal mines.

The one that went to college did so on the money the coal company paid her father to strip mine his land. Swimming in the pit they left after they moved on was a family tradition.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by gbraad »

tyingq wrote: post #152
gbraad wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low-key HQ is normal, as they often share office buildings and external signs need approval/permits. I expect tha5 is also the case in the US, right? I am sure they have a name badge at the first floor, as that is common. > 300 people What did you expect, thousands?

It mentioned the lobby also, not just external signage. Yes, it's unusual to be that low profile. I did not have expectations about the number, but now there is a number.

> it's unusual to be that low profile.

Perhaps I got too used to this ;-)

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by databrecht »

nikolay wrote: post #81

I can't recall the scientist's name, but he said months ago that DeepSeek is best for Physics (maybe it was on The Diary of a CEO podcast). So I had a long chat about the Simulation Hypothesis, and I was really surprised by how good, deep, and straight to the point it was. What's brutal is that Google, which started this AI revolution, has literally the worst coding model! I tried 3.5 Flash last week (the stupid stil…

It's just insane how different experiences are. I've let it spin for 2 days on difficult tasks for my job, it found very complex esoteric race condition bugs which were genuinenly the type of "will take you 5 days to figer out what went wrong".

And on my personal account I was developing my own ORM in one session, on the other let it spin for 5h on "implement civilization II from scratch". It got quite far and everything it did genuinenly worked well, until they disabled Fable. The strange thing is that I was surprised by how little usage that actually costed, I didn't even hit the daily limit. Was expecting to be cut off directly with my subscription based on what people said yet it kept going and usage showed I had plently left.

How come, we all have such different burn rates or even results?

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by jingpostmedia »

gbraad wrote: post #12

Not sure what I read, but sounded like a lunch meeting description; felt void of actual information, with the restaurant replaced by the office. I am in China and can tell it is either Kimi, DeepSeek or Claude (proxied or actually deepseek/fake). The bigger push for the general public died down a lot since last year; kids were pushed to use AI for homework, now it is disallowed and frowned upon. In short mixed messag…

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