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Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

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Post by pjmlp »

hparadiz wrote: post #135
pjmlp wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least it isn't Wayland, or having to mix and match configurations until hardware video decoding on Chrome finally works.

Wayland is a protocol. Not a program. The top compositors right now for desktop are KDE Plasma, Hyprland, Gnome/Mutter and all of them implement the Wayland protocol independently. For game wrappers Valve makes Gamescope ( https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope ) which is also a Wayland compositor. When you run a game through a wrapper like GameScope it will draw to the Wayland Server that GameScope is running an…

No need, I am fine running Linux distro headless for containers, or having Android and WebOS userspace instead on my other devices.

Gemini told me it was a good decision.

Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

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Post by pjmlp »

hparadiz wrote: post #134
pjmlp wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is ffmpeg for Windows.

That helps me exactly zero when I'm running something that is compiled for Linux and has no context in which to use the windows version. Which may not even be compiled with the same ./configure settings and would therefor potentially be missing entire codecs available to it. This ladies and gentleman is the problem with discussing Windows design patterns on the internets. They say "use this" and you say "well it's br…

This ladies and gentleman is the problem with discussing Linux distros on the internets. They say "install this" and you say "well it's broken in X, Y, Z" ways and instead of fixing it they say "you're using the wrong distro". No. Maybe it's just an inferior desktop OS.

Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

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Post by thewebguyd »

pjmlp wrote: post #122
SomeUserName432 wrote: post #121

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> Onedrive constantly trying to steal all my files By default setting, windows defender will upload "suspicious files" to Microsoft. A while back I caught it trying to nab my OpenVPN installer which also contains the certificates.

Basically the Apple and Google stuff that others like so much.

All 3 (Apple, Google, Microsoft) share a lot of the same negative behaviors, but only Apple and Google get a free pass for some reason. Microsoft is worse in many aspects, but look at the recent debacle with NightmareEclipse and how shitty MSRC is. Apple pulls the same crap and are even less transparent about security, but they get a free pass in tech circles for some reason.

Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

#154

Post by thewebguyd »

skissane wrote: post #63
avaer wrote: post #18

Proton, Copilot, and literally this single issue are what pushed people to Linux. If I were in charge there would be a team devoted to fixing this a decade ago. WSL singlehandedly stemmed much of tide of developers moving away from Windows, but WSL native filesystem performance gave devs that magical experience when they boot into Linux the first time and see that the filesystem doesn't have to be ass. There's always…

> Proton, Copilot, and literally this single issue are what pushed people to Linux. This isn't the only issue. I think another big issue is pushing more and more integration with Microsoft cloud services (e.g. Microsoft accounts), advertising, etc, which Microsoft has made increasingly difficult to opt-out of. They could fix every single technical limitation anyone has ever complained about, but if they don't change…

That their solution is a few winget scripts on github to turn a vanilla Windows install into a "developer optimized" install is telling.

They could have, instead, made a standalone ISO of Windows with all the crap already stripped out. Instead, they are still treating the crap-filled version as the default with an option to strip it down.

If they wanted to correct their reputation, it needs to be the other way around. Ship the stripped down version as standard, and make the crap opt-in.

Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

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Post by thewebguyd »

poink wrote: post #102
keithnz wrote: post #69

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Just a comment on Proton... I've recently shifted to linux (garuda ) as a native OS for gaming (still dual booting, but linux is my main OS now, I used to run linux VMs in windows). My experience with Proton is that only ~30% of my games work out of the box. Some games like dota2, and factorio are native linux and work MUCH better (faster/higher fps) in linux. A bunch of windows games work fine, other's semi work, an…

Anticheat is indeed a huge blocker, and given how invasive shady kernel anticheat software is on Windows I kinda hope it stays that way

I think even Microsoft is getting ready to be done with kernel level anticheat. After crowdstrike they've been planning to kick everyone out of Ring0, making new user mode APIs. They're focused on EDRs right now but have publicly said eventually everyone is going to be kicked out of the kernel.

Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

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Post by thewebguyd »

IshKebab wrote: post #144
hootz wrote: post #136

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The Task Manager that many times also stopped responding or was permanently stuck behind a frozen full screen game? On Linux, KDE has the plasma System Monitor, and if you can't use it for some reason you can switch your entire session to a TTY with CTRL+ALT+F2 and kill any process you want.

> you can switch your entire session to a TTY with CTRL+ALT+F2 and kill any process you want. How intuitive. That's often disabled, and I've definitely had machines that were so frozen even that didn't work. I guess sysrq keys might have worked but if you're seriously going to suggest that you haven't understood the problem. > The Task Manager that many times also stopped responding or was permanently stuck behind a…

> Hasn't happened once for me for as long as I can remember.

I've had it happen to me, but the last time it did was probably around ~2017 or so on spinning rust. Fast SSDs make it a non-issue now.

Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

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Post by tonymet »

xela79 wrote: post #155

Any benchmarks and comparisons done? am I overlook it?

I put one below comparing native WSL FS to virtiofs. 50s build time on native vs 75s build time on virtiofs. Virtiofs came to about 50% slower, and likely only 25% slower than native (i saw MS defender kick in, which you can disable). The older “plan9” aka “9p” is likely 10x slower. I don’t use plan9 (the current windows file system in WSL), but I would guess that same build would take 3-5m or more.

Re: WSL 2 is getting faster Windows file system access

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Post by hparadiz »

pjmlp wrote: post #151
hparadiz wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland is a protocol. Not a program. The top compositors right now for desktop are KDE Plasma, Hyprland, Gnome/Mutter and all of them implement the Wayland protocol independently. For game wrappers Valve makes Gamescope ( https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope ) which is also a Wayland compositor. When you run a game through a wrapper like GameScope it will draw to the Wayland Server that GameScope is running an…

No need, I am fine running Linux distro headless for containers, or having Android and WebOS userspace instead on my other devices. Gemini told me it was a good decision.

You do know that one is literally the worst one right? It's like you walked in and went "I'm using Netscape"

Well whatever you'll find out.

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