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Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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This is why although I don't love my Apple Watch, I'm not using anything else. It's very sensitive data and Apple is the only company worth trusting with it. They're not perfect but compared to others there's no competition.

> Apple is the only company worth trusting with it

Wonder what makes you you think so. Care to elaborate? Really hope it's not their ubiquitous ads showcasing how they "treat privacy seriously".

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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It's been over a decade since the Snowden revelations. We know full well that the large tech companies collect massive amounts of your personal data and secretly share it all with the US government. Not requests, not occasionally, not some - everything. And there are even formal mechanisms for this, like National Security Letters, which essentially guarantee silence. So, why are we seeing articles like this, which ra…

If you read comments you can see how many people are oblivious to it. And we can assume people here are fairly educated.

It is incredible to read "I believe company A only!". They need to educate themselves otherwise noone would be able to stop the government machine.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #29

What will the government even do with my heart rate and blood oxygen data? "Mr Smith has been running again, we better bring him in for questioning!" Edit: to be clear, the government is requesting the data, so clearly they're doing something with it... But what? I don't see it!

Target infamously was inferring when teenage girls were pregnant before their parents knew based on reward card data records of single merchant retail purchases.... in 2002. Tech companies when they speak to VCs: look at all the creepy things we can infer with ooodles of aggregated data and AI to maximize targeted ad revenue, we're worth 50x what an equivalent non-tech company in our sector is valued, because of all…

The thing that cocaine users have noticed, is that using cocaine raises their heart-rate. Noticeably. So the government getting heart rate data means they know when those users are doing coke. Wouldn't the DEA like to know where all the cocaine users with Oura rings in the US are?

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #87

What in god's name possesses someone to buy (and pay a subscription for) a device that gathers and sells their health data in exchange for a placebo dashboard of numbers...

I used it to track my sleep when I had insomnia. But it has since become ewaste when they started charging for a subscription.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

#156

This is why although I don't love my Apple Watch, I'm not using anything else. It's very sensitive data and Apple is the only company worth trusting with it. They're not perfect but compared to others there's no competition.

Apple might be pretty good now. There's no assurance they always will be.

If that's your policy you can't use anything ever.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple literally removed encrypted file storage as a feature in the UK rather than comply with demands for access to encrypted customer data from the UK government. Previously, they refused US government demands for a backdoor that would allow them to unlock locked devices.

> Apple literally removed encrypted file storage as a feature in the UK rather than comply with demands for access to encrypted customer data from the UK government. Does that mean that instead of UK government accessing the data (through a backdoor), UK government can now access to data (because it's not encrypted at all)?

They removed a specific (non-default) feature which provided end to end encryption rather than build a backdoor. They continue to offer encrypted backups etc. although they hold the keys. So not great but also not a backdoor that breaks encryption for everyone and can potential be accessed without legal oversight.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #10

Oura doesn't even have GPS does it? Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant

> AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant Source for this? Was it big news? First I've heard of it.

This is well known, just no-one talks about it anymore like NSA, DHS violations, etc.

Why do you think she had a personally owned email server in her basement instead of using a 3rd party?

Bill Clinton signed 1986 Electronic Communications Act into law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv...

Any communication, email, sms, etc. on a 3rd party like Gmail that is 180 days old is simply considered "abandoned" under that law and can be read without any judicial oversight, no warrant needed. Major services even have portals for law enforcement to just browse away

Congress purposely never updates the law, it's 40 years out of date

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #136
post #10

Oura doesn't even have GPS does it? Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant

They can read all your emails that are over 6 months old? What are you basing this on? First I've heard of it.

It is well known, just no-one talks about it anymore like NSA, DHS violations, etc.

Why do you think she had a personal email server in her basement instead of using a 3rd party?

Bill Clinton signed 1986 Electronic Communications Act into law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv...

Any communication, email, sms, etc. on a 3rd party like Gmail that is 180 days old is cleverly considered "abandoned" under that law and can be read without any judicial oversight, no warrant needed. Major services even have portals for law enforcement to just browse away

Congress purposely never updates the law, it's 40 years out of date despite people having years of email, SMS, DMs in their accounts as typical behavior

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant Source for this? Was it big news? First I've heard of it.

This is well known, just no-one talks about it anymore like NSA, DHS violations, etc. Why do you think she had a personally owned email server in her basement instead of using a 3rd party? Bill Clinton signed 1986 Electronic Communications Act into law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv... Any communication, email, sms, etc. on a 3rd party like Gmail that is 180 days old is simply considered…

Just one correction: Clinton wasn't president yet in 1986. That was signed by Reagan.

Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act which also had problems but which didn't change this specific legal norm.

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