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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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SoftTalker wrote: post #51
al_borland wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption would be that lane keeping would be about staying in the lines ahead of you, not knowing which lanes are available on the route. Available lanes can change in real-time due to all kinds of reasons.

I think the term has been used for various capabilities over the years. My friend's 10-year-old Toyota will chirp annoyingly if you drift over a lane line but that's all it does. It doesn't have any ability to steer the car back into the center of the lane. Is that "lane keeping"?

Mine has either off, warn, or warn+adjust (but adjustment is very gentle, more of a nudge).

I can imagine it can save a life someone dozing off and drifting.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by h4kunamata »

Cars before the enshitification, already had tons of security issues, I remember watching a hacker stopping a BMW the reports was driving in the middle of the highway.

This was decades and decades ago, imagine now??

When I bought a 2025 Suzuki Jimny XL, I wanted a car, not a computer on wheels.

- physical buttons everywhere

- head unit is the only touch screen

- Non-invasive safety features

- No firmware update

- No internet connection

- No enshitification

It is what cars used to be back in the day with minor modern touch like LED headlight. Its headlight does not have direct connection to the ECU.

Toyota cars, especially the new ones can be stolen by breaking the headlight and using its harness to talk with the ECU. Virtually speaking, all Toyota cars are being stolen like hotcake in Australia.

People buying these EVs do not understand how deep it goes buying a car you do not own.

Testa has done this over and over, removed features from the car via OTA update. Car was never meant to be a computer on wheel.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by xmprt »

bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

What's special about EVs that gives them this loophole? Is it something to do with not having dealerships and going direct to consumer?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by malnourish »

rationalist wrote: post #56
janice1999 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does say lane "keeping" not lane "changing". I assume it's the safety feature to remain in the lane.

I've seen lanes on highways that abruptly end with zero markings or signs - the concrete barriers just force you into the other lane just as you realize what's going on.

I would have doubted this had I not experienced it myself on my way home from a movie last night. Not even a construction sign! Let alone something reflective.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by fc417fc802 »

alternatex wrote: post #74
pesus wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the fact that it's absolutely unhinged and bonkers to include that in the first place, I don't even understand how they could possibly ever get any information about that. Are they using LLMs to generate these policies without review? Or are there really lawyers out there who thought this was pertinent and important to include?

Legal wiggle room in case the sleepy eyes cam catches some action? Disclaimer: no idea how the tired driver sensors work.

But that safety functionality doesn't require storing or transmitting the footage ...

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by [deleted] »

LamaOfRuin wrote: post #68
pesus wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the fact that it's absolutely unhinged and bonkers to include that in the first place, I don't even understand how they could possibly ever get any information about that. Are they using LLMs to generate these policies without review? Or are there really lawyers out there who thought this was pertinent and important to include?

Any car that can record audio in the cabin could have information about your sexual activity. Could also argue it based on location data. Some laws require discussing very specific lists of categories of information they might have. I'm guessing this is a completionist CYA lawyer accounting for this.

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by bri3d »

xmprt wrote: post #155
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

What's special about EVs that gives them this loophole? Is it something to do with not having dealerships and going direct to consumer?

Emissions. Most things about ICE cars come through EPA and CARB.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by Svoka »

Reading comments, I expectantly see a lot of cheering for this step, with many calling for further measures. I understand that privacy features are important to some people, but I am not one of them.

Can someone provide what needs these feature covers? Like, what are some reason to disable all internet connectivity?

I am genuinely curious.

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