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4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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Despite popular belief, even heavy smoking does not alter your voice in a significant way.

Despite popular belief, even heavy smoking does not alter your voice in a significant way. I guess you don't listen to Sinatra.

Or John Mellencamp, who repeatedly states in interviews that he likes what smoking does to his singing voice.

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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> Germans (because of course) I don't know if it's the reason you imply. In the 70s, there were big debates in Germany about privacy and data storage. They spoke of one's data shadow (Datenschatten). I suspect this word comes from that tradition. The reason the word exists would then be the reflection (Verwaltigung) on WW2.

I took the "because of course" to be about having a word for everything - a stereotypical idea about the German language.

That's like saying that English (because of course) is able to describe the concept by a combination of words.

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#153

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> biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate your voice. "My voice is my passport. Verify me." I have to renew my passport every 10 years or so. How do I do that with my voice? I guess it's time to take some vocal lessons.

Vocal lessons are both a lot of fun and a lot of work. I haven't been using any voiceprint systems but I know most humans are unable to tell that my trained voice is the same physical person as my old voice. Would be curious to find out if an AI voiceprint system can discern whether it's the same or not.

Are you talking about singing lessons, or actual talking training? Singing lessons helped me sing but didn't change the way i talked at all, but i was only able to afford them for a summer so maybe it takes more time than that

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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The underlying reason is that employees don't always know what they're talking about, but their nonsense could be useful to the other side in a court case. The bigger the company, the more speculation there is about stuff people don't actually understand.

The underlying reason is to break the law and not get caught. Let’s be real here.

Did you go to high school? A sister of a friend of a friend says blah blah blah and everybody knows that yadda yadda. Same thing happens in big companies, especially among people who are out of the loop but wish they knew all the inside details. I see this all the time and sometimes it sounds like something that would be pretty damaging in a court case.

In other cases I have heard people who ought to know better speculating about “what if” they didn’t have to follow the letter of some corporate policy that was rooted in risk avoidance. Again, it looks bad but it doesn’t mean anything concrete (except that the person might have iffy judgment).

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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Author here. Wrote this after watching Lapsus$ post the Mercor archive on their leak site earlier this month. The thing that struck me is the combination: voice samples paired with ID document scans. Most breaches leak one or the other. This one ships a deepfake-ready kit. Tried to keep the writeup practical: what an attacker can actually do with this combo (banking voiceprint bypass, Arup-style video calls, insuranc…

HSBC offered voice verification years ago and I just laughed and said nope. I don’t even use biometrics on apple devices, I use a 6 digit pin. It was always a stupid idea. The thing about been willing to trade convenience for security is you get called paranoid and then when the other shoe does drop and you are still doing that you still get called paranoid for the current thing you are not doing that “everyone does”…

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Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

#157

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Vocal lessons are both a lot of fun and a lot of work. I haven't been using any voiceprint systems but I know most humans are unable to tell that my trained voice is the same physical person as my old voice. Would be curious to find out if an AI voiceprint system can discern whether it's the same or not.

Are you talking about singing lessons, or actual talking training? Singing lessons helped me sing but didn't change the way i talked at all, but i was only able to afford them for a summer so maybe it takes more time than that

I'm referring to speaking, not singing. After a _lot_ of work, I can speak passably as a woman or man and switch freely between the two. Depending on context I generally choose just one for the entire conversation, as switching tends to cause whiplash in the listener (^_^).

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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> Germans (because of course) I don't know if it's the reason you imply. In the 70s, there were big debates in Germany about privacy and data storage. They spoke of one's data shadow (Datenschatten). I suspect this word comes from that tradition. The reason the word exists would then be the reflection (Verwaltigung) on WW2.

I took the "because of course" to be about having a word for everything - a stereotypical idea about the German language.

My understanding was that it was more that words can be concatenated into new words in German which is not so much a stereotype as more a misunderstanding of fact. I.e. You wouldn't think much about something like enjoyable-comuppence but schadenfreude looks more impressive without the hyphen.

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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So, they should all just rotate their voices ... right? I jest but the majority of the "normal" people I know are happy to hand over biometrics because _it's easier_. We need to start branding biometrics as "forever passwords" or something to help people understand just what they're handing over when they validate access to their checking account or enter Disney World or whatever else.

the "it's easier" people operate on a fundamentally different way than you or I. they thrive in the world of plausible deniability and social trust. They almost dont care what happens to them as long as it isnt their fault. And they do not consider putting themselves at risk to be the same as being at fault in a certain light, it's kind of admirable. they live like the world is the way it should be

That’s HN users towards politics and the environment. Sitting smugly with their yubikey and encrypted laptop while the world around them crumbles.

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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People having a bad memory is it enormous cost to institutions, which is why biometrics is so appealing in the first place. Them being forever passwords is the value prop. The risk scene has changed, but that was essentially always the pitch.

Biometrics are fine. My dog has an ID chip in injected under his skin.

Your dog has nothing worth stealing and is not responsible for anything.
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