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4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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I took the "because of course" to be about having a word for everything - a stereotypical idea about the German language.

There's also the other implication that the (East) Germans were Soviet just 35 years ago. But yes. We Americans know Germans more for their silly big words. But statements like that can be misinterpreted as the German perspective of themselves doesn't quite match the American stereotypes.

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Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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> In the idealized world, the legal system is meant to provide an accessible alternative to violence for reconciling disputes, but it's increasingly wielded as an impossibly kafkaesque system meant to maintain corporate power over individuals. This is an overly flowery way of saying: violence. The worst of the consequences are the same. People end up dead, destitute, and/or with long-term health consequences and are…

There are plenty of nonviolent extralegal options. Ranging fron sit-ins and protests, to destruction of property, to many examples in the CIA's subtle sabotage field guide like running meetings poorly.

They're saying due to the real world effects, the current system isn't meaningfully different from violence. They aren't advocating for violence in turn.

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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Has your identity been stolen? Try our free credit monitoring for a month! Selling the solution to the problem you caused ought to be illegal.

> Selling the solution to the problem you caused ought to be illegal. Most tech solutions are built on the problems they created. This includes phones, cars, computers, every software upgrade, and almost every electronic gadget. You are forced to use them because the world around you is no longer compatible with the way of life that was before the introduction of these tech.

I probably agree with you but what on earth are phones and cars doing in this list? They solve obvious physical problems not caused by a company.

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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> biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate your voice. "My voice is my passport. Verify me." I have to renew my passport every 10 years or so. How do I do that with my voice? I guess it's time to take some vocal lessons.

just take up smoking heavily

Despite popular belief, even heavy smoking does not alter your voice in a significant way.

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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> Germans (because of course) I don't know if it's the reason you imply. In the 70s, there were big debates in Germany about privacy and data storage. They spoke of one's data shadow (Datenschatten). I suspect this word comes from that tradition. The reason the word exists would then be the reflection (Verwaltigung) on WW2.

The Stasi would be the obvious cultural context. In the US of course the government buys this sort of information legally from corporations.

The West-German debate in the 70s came from the realization that the sheer size of the Holocaust/Shoah was in no small degree due to bureaucratic record keeping. Storing someone's ethnicity is potentially dangerous for that person.

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That's a really good point. It lays bare some of my biases when it comes to thinking about and communicating with "normal people" about this sort of thing.

People having a bad memory is it enormous cost to institutions, which is why biometrics is so appealing in the first place. Them being forever passwords is the value prop. The risk scene has changed, but that was essentially always the pitch.

Biometrics are fine. My dog has an ID chip in injected under his skin.

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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The irony runs deeper than the free analysis offer. The whole Mercor contractor relationship was this exact pattern: hand over studio-quality voice recordings and ID scans to get paid for data labeling work that didn't require either. "Explicit consent" was buried in the terms, and people clicked through because they needed the paycheck. Now 40k people have learned that biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate y…

> biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate your voice. "My voice is my passport. Verify me." I have to renew my passport every 10 years or so. How do I do that with my voice? I guess it's time to take some vocal lessons.

Reminds me of the Interrail data breach [https://stateofsurveillance.org/news/eurail-data-breach-3080...]

The fediverse take on that was "customers are advised to rotate their faces and birthdays."

Re: 4TB of voice samples just stolen from 40k AI contractors at Mercor

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I'm taking some college courses, and one of them explicitly suggests to keep maybe-not-okay communications off of email so that "you don't expose your company to risks of litigation." Ah, I see. So, when discussing ways to ensure cuatomers cannot utilize our warranty process, I'll make sure to do so in ways that are not traceable and won't show up in discovery.

The underlying reason is that employees don't always know what they're talking about, but their nonsense could be useful to the other side in a court case. The bigger the company, the more speculation there is about stuff people don't actually understand.

That’s not the underlying reason.
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