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Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by ssl-3 »

volkl48 wrote: post #104
999900000999 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shouldn’t need the managers, but the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. I would really like music copyright to change within my lifeti…

> However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. Or artists that have seen the merit in tolerating it/somewhat encouraging it. I'm a pretty hardcore Nine Inch Nails fan (seen >30 shows). NINLive.com is a fantastic (…

I got invited to see a NIN show recently, which was very kind of them.

The process of actually getting in, post-invite, was a bit of a weird experience: Waiting around at the front of the venue, meeting some of his PR folks, walking all the way around the outside to go in the back door to get escorted in. At one point we were given some armbands so we could do what we wanted as if we were regular concert-goers and they turned us loose.

Anyway, as we were walking around that huge place and chatting, one of them (Marcus?) asked me how I got interested in Nine Inch Nails.

And the first thing that came that came out of my mouth was "It is entirely possible that I banned Trent Reznor from IRC 30 years ago."

The response was immediate: "Never tell him that."

Anyhow, the crew that I met were all a bunch of great folks. Wonderful positivity, fun to talk to. 10/10.

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(Now, you might be wondering why I banned Trent from #nin. That's easy: We banned everyone in that channel who said they were Trent Reznor. There's only one Trent, and these imposters showed up all the time so we did the right thing and got rid of them.

Except... I read an interview with him way back then, where he was asked specifically about IRC. His response was something like "Yeah, I tried IRC once and they banned me right away. Those guys are a bunch of dicks."

Whoops.)

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by gerdesj »

rolph wrote: post #123
gib444 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's incorrect. In British slang it means a customer/patron. In this context a fan/concertgoer (Source: I'm British)

interesting, so when a fellow is taken up by the cops, and he says "thers no punt, im telling you truth", is that unfamiliar? i have a lot of different nationalities partaking of my wilderness lodge, and a lot of the younger english ones use punt/play/burn/scam as equivalent. i can see how they could merge, considering a colloquial "punt" [rugby/footall] as a maneuver with adverse risk.

"interesting, so when a fellow is taken up by the cops, and he says "thers no punt, im telling you truth", is that unfamiliar?"

Yes it is unfamiliar - it is unlikely that anyone in the UK has accidentally said that.

"i have a lot of different nationalities partaking of my wilderness lodge, and a lot of the younger english ones use punt/play/burn/scam as equivalent."

Given you have a dislike of capitals, I'll hazard a guess at your age (but not tell you). Kids here (UK) don't use words like that, says Granddad! I get a capital G because I say so.

If I had to guess, I've probably replied to a shit AI sigh

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by sailfast »

How did they make these tapes sound so incredible? I'm getting more fidelity out of these tapes than just about any cassette I've ever listened to - even new in the shrink wrap. Amazing.

This is like all of the great shows I couldn't go to in my childhood. Incredible.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by switz »

wahern wrote: post #142
tyrust wrote: post #75

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Great story, but how are you going to say all that but not link to the recording?

It's still technically illegal. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's a tacit Don't Ask, Don't Tell understanding in the community between artists and recorders. Even when individual recorders are known by the community and artists, keeping the pretense of anonymity might be important to preserving and protecting the scene.

It's really up to the artists. Many are surprisingly cool with it, though there are a few notable exceptions (i.e. Prince). Sounds like the artist in this particlar case gave their blessing.

Many bands (like GD and Phish) specifically note in their rider that venues must allow and provide space for tapers to bring their rigs in.

A sibling comment in this thread pointed out my project Relisten[0], which now has over 4,000 bands who have given explicit permission for people to tape, record, and share their concerts non-commercially. We've been operating our FOSS platform for 12 years, and most of the audio is hosted by Archive.org. I can't tell you how many bands have begged us to add them to our platform.

[0] https://relisten.net (https://github.com/RelistenNet)

(The 4,000 number will be coming to web soon - it's available today on our mobile apps)

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

brightball wrote: post #137
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

I talked to a big Grateful Dead fan the other day and he told me that they had special areas setup for anybody who wanted to record. They were happy to let people share.

Yep, the tapers section. At some shows you could get a soundboard feed.

I was a teenager at the last show I was at, and I always envied thise guys.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by janfoeh »

ssl-3 wrote: post #151
volkl48 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. Or artists that have seen the merit in tolerating it/somewhat encouraging it. I'm a pretty hardcore Nine Inch Nails fan (seen >30 shows). NINLive.com is a fantastic (…

I got invited to see a NIN show recently, which was very kind of them. The process of actually getting in, post-invite, was a bit of a weird experience: Waiting around at the front of the venue, meeting some of his PR folks, walking all the way around the outside to go in the back door to get escorted in. At one point we were given some armbands so we could do what we wanted as if we were regular concert-goers and th…

This brought a wide smile to my face. Thank you for telling that story.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by janfoeh »

progmetaldev wrote: post #132
leviathant wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NIN had a messy breakup with their original manager about 15 years into things. Once Trent Reznor emerged as more or less a free agent, he embraced radical approaches to distributing music and other media. The instrumental album "Ghosts I-IV" was released under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license, and the music went everywhere - and you can draw a line directly from that choice to the Oscar for the score for The Soci…

I can't remember which album it was, perhaps "With Teeth," or the mentioned "Ghosts I-IV," when Trent Reznor offered the GarageBand files for the album. I thought it was amazing for an artist to offer their work up for people to remix and view, as long as they weren't profiting off of it. I've done the same with my artwork over the years, hoping that someone would come along and collab or "remix" my art into somethin…

> I've done the same with my artwork over the years, hoping that someone would come along and collab or "remix" my art into something new and interesting. I don't do promotion, so it hasn't occurred, but the idea was inspired by NIN and I think it's an amazing idea that can really build a community.

You know, right this second I am listening to a MIDI recreation of the soundtrack to a very obscure German Atari ST puzzle game from '84. Something somebody recreated where I would be surprised if more than 500 people in the world ever heard the original.

Even though you might never learn of it, given the vast number of people out there, it is entirely likely that what you did already touched somebody out there. You do not need to have built a community in order to have done something of significance.

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