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Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by RickJWagner »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #132
RickJWagner wrote: post #129

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No they haven't. You've likely been misled by seeing still images of their hand in that position, whereas if you see the video, then it's clearly nothing like a Nazi salute. Meanwhile, the video of Musk makes it incredibly clear that it's a Nazi salute and he has not denied that as far as I know. His politics also seem to align very much with white supremacy and the far right.

Here’s a denial from Musk.

Plus the Anti-Defamation League clearing Musk.

Plus a Democrat congressman clearing Musk.

All this from a left-leaning publication.

The ADL alone should give reasonable people reason to give Musk benefit of the doubt.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2025-01-21/musk-says-...

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Post by chongli »

Hikikomori wrote: post #149
eudamoniac wrote: post #117

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There's a misconception that Chinese food requires a 50,000 BTU burner causing "wok hei" to be right. The truth is that Chinese cuisine is huge and varied. Some regional dishes do actually require that. Most do not and can be cooked at home. An equivalent induction stove would be around 5000W, which I think exists. The problem with inductioning a wok is the tossing motion removes the wok from the heat, unlike over a…

There are wok shaped induction cookers.

Woks aren't the only shape of cookware with a non-flat bottom and/or a non-ferrous construction. There are clay pots with many different shapes [1], Korean stone bowls [2], Indian copper cookware [3], Moroccan tagines [4], and many others.

[1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clay+pot+cooking&t=osx&ia=images&i...

[2] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=korean+stone+bowl&t=osx&ia=images&...

[3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=indian+copper+cookware&t=osx&ia=im...

[4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=moroccan+tagine+clay&iar=images&t=...

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by girvo »

eudamoniac wrote: post #117
girvo wrote: post #102

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> Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up Not really. You’ve obviously not used modern induction cooktops (though if you’ve gone to a restaurant you’ve eaten from it). > The temperature profile of a round-bottom wok over gas flame is also superior to a flat-bottom wok on induction Explain why induction cooktops are incredibly widespread across modern Asian restaurants. You…

There's a misconception that Chinese food requires a 50,000 BTU burner causing "wok hei" to be right. The truth is that Chinese cuisine is huge and varied. Some regional dishes do actually require that. Most do not and can be cooked at home. An equivalent induction stove would be around 5000W, which I think exists. The problem with inductioning a wok is the tossing motion removes the wok from the heat, unlike over a…

> The truth is that Chinese cuisine is huge and varied

Which is what makes it so great!

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by xnx »

adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #77
amelius wrote: post #57

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No. For all practical purposes, Chinese cars are perfectly fine for most consumers. Since you cannot beat China on manufacturing costs, this war is already lost. Musk or no Musk.

There is no reason Chinese EVs couldn’t have been beaten on cost. The labor/environmental costs of car manufacturing is relatively low and more than made up in the cost of shipping cars. One example of this was the number of foreign car manufacturers that were relocating manufacturing to the NAFTA region to serve the U.S. car market even before the tariff nonsense. The area where China might have an edge is batteries…

> The labor/environmental costs of car manufacturing is relatively low

Not for union manufacturers. $1500 of the cost of every GM car is healthcare.

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Post by vizzier »

freedomben wrote: post #118
greekrich92 wrote: post #111

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Damn it's really an infringement on our rights that they cracked down on people yelling "fire" in a crowded theater

Read the links. It wasn't just that. People from the administration were actively talking with social media companies and telling them to take stuff down. At some points they even demanded it. andy do you really think the Hunter Biden laptop story was equivalent or even close to "yelling fire in a crowded theatre"?

twitters own lawyers argue against this reading in 2023, see page 11 onwards:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.38...

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by Hikikomori »

chongli wrote: post #152
Hikikomori wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are wok shaped induction cookers.

Woks aren't the only shape of cookware with a non-flat bottom and/or a non-ferrous construction. There are clay pots with many different shapes [1], Korean stone bowls [2], Indian copper cookware [3], Moroccan tagines [4], and many others. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clay+pot+cooking&t=osx&ia=images&i... [2] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=korean+stone+bowl&t=osx&ia=images&... [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=indian+copper+…

My caveman traditional cooking requires a fire on the floor, or I do bbq and bury my food with coals. Modern cities are bad because I can't do that in my apartment.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

jongjong wrote: post #147
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #100

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Two very public Nazi salutes without any attempt to deny it afterwards will certainly crater anyone's reputation. It's not really politics, but more a question of humanity, but then people don't become billionaires without having a contempt for others and a desire to underpay and mistreat everyone you come into contact with.

He did deny it multiple times on Twitter/X. Probably your news source of choice is the one which omitted this fact. I think it probably did look a bit that way and maybe he did it for engagement, maybe he intended to create controversy or maybe it was none of these things. In any case, it wasn't an actual Nazi salute.

> He did deny it multiple times on Twitter/X

That's interesting - have you got a link?

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

RickJWagner wrote: post #151
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #132

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No they haven't. You've likely been misled by seeing still images of their hand in that position, whereas if you see the video, then it's clearly nothing like a Nazi salute. Meanwhile, the video of Musk makes it incredibly clear that it's a Nazi salute and he has not denied that as far as I know. His politics also seem to align very much with white supremacy and the far right.

Here’s a denial from Musk. Plus the Anti-Defamation League clearing Musk. Plus a Democrat congressman clearing Musk. All this from a left-leaning publication. The ADL alone should give reasonable people reason to give Musk benefit of the doubt. https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2025-01-21/musk-says-...

That doesn't seem like a denial from Musk, but instead he's just accusing others, but the article doesn't include specific quotes.

From what I remember of the incident, he specifically didn't deny that they were Nazi salutes, but merely hinted that they may have been a Roman salute, though that's pretty much the same thing.

I can't recall any time that he's tried to distance himself from Nazis or their ideology.

Although the ADL didn't think that it was a Nazi salute, most other Jewish organisations thought that it was and Germany very much condemned it, so on balance reasonable people should conclude that it's generally thought of as a Nazi salute. Also, former ADL national director Abraham Foxman described the gesture as a "Heil Hitler Nazi salute".

Reasonable people can simply watch the video and see for themselves - it very much looked exactly like a Nazi salute to me.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

comfysocks wrote: post #138
RickJWagner wrote: post #129

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Fair enough, I see that online all the time. Here’s my take. Raising your hand alone is a common gesture that pretty much everyone has done. Saying “my heart goes out to you” gives plausible deniability. But making the hand gesture while clicking your heels together and snapping to attention with a stern jaw-jutting look on your face is pretty unmistakably a nazi salute. Elon has publicly denied it was a nazi salute,…

> Elon has publicly denied it was a nazi salute

Do you have a link to his specific quote denying it?

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