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Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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No. For all practical purposes, Chinese cars are perfectly fine for most consumers. Since you cannot beat China on manufacturing costs, this war is already lost. Musk or no Musk.

Chineese phonemakers exist yet Apple pulls in a significant portion of profits due to their _halo_ allowing them to sell at a higher price point. Tesla had that, all Musk had to do was refrain himself from waving his hand around in that certain fashion. New registrations in Sweden for the past 3 years, Sweden alone would've probably absorbed about 14000 cars of that unsold stock. 2023 20388 341835 0,0596428101276932…

Buying a Tesla was already considered edgy in some demographics, but doing that famous fascist gesture because you feel powerful definitely crossed a line as far as Europeans are concerned.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Yes, Elon's trajectory has been absolutely unbelievable since 2019 or so. Talk about a guy who cratered his whole reputation. It's a shame.

What did he do specifically to crater his reputation? Is it his politics? He seems to have reasonable beliefs there. It's not like he's been supporting Trump unconditionally. He doesn't always agree with Trump. Is it because of his stance in favor of free speech? How is that a bad thing? As someone who doesn't like any side of politics, I don't get it.

Dude did a Nazi salute and made a speech in support of the neonazi party in Gernany.

I think we got a few steps beyond "reasonable beliefs".

I mean, perhaps it is reasonable for you, but then we will find very little common ground.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Induction is better than gas in basically any way you can care to slice it, and natural gas in your home is actually quite bad for air quality. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-17/kitchen-pollutants-st...

I mean, if you are looking at unventilated kitchens, you are going to get bad values cooking. Pretty much period. Yes, by products of burning gas are bad. But by products of cooking are already bad. Ventilate your kitchen.

Even with very good ventilation, gas ranges will pollute your air to a surprising degree.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Great things to have on balance sheets. With inflation their value can only go up. And as they are level 6 self-driving capable as is soon they can be sold for massively more money. Really they should stock pile hundreds of thousands more.

Trolling is starting to become indistinguishable from serious utterances.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Obviously the oil spike, while not a relatively massive price hike historically, is clearly accelerating the pace of electrification, similarly to how COVID accelerated the use of zoom and other remote work platforms. But also similarly, it will probably be the case that gas is still used for some needs, just not nearly as many as today. People still do prefer their gas ranges, and its not as if natural gas is a grea…

Induction is better than gas in basically any way you can care to slice it, and natural gas in your home is actually quite bad for air quality. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-17/kitchen-pollutants-st...

Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up (and the range will shut off after a certain time). With natural gas the flames rise through convection and wrap around the contours of the pan. This means many traditional pieces of cookware with round bottoms simply will not work on induction but work fine on natural gas.

Induction also requires the cookware to be ferromagnetic. This rules out a lot of traditional cookware materials such as clay, copper, brass, and stone. Many of these traditional materials are also accompanied by traditional shapes (round bottoms, gently sloped sides) that take advantage of the convection properties of open flame cooking.

Many recipes rely on these traditional vessels for optimal cooking performance. Woks, for example, work much better with a round bottom so liquids can pool in the middle, letting you use less oil for stir frying but still allowing ingredients to spend time in the pooled oil.

The temperature profile of a round-bottom wok over gas flame is also superior to a flat-bottom wok on induction: the traditional wok has a bright hot spot at the bottom (where all the oil is pooling) in addition to heat up all around the sloped sides, for rapidly reducing liquids that come out of foods and cooking sauces (soy sauce, shaoxing wine) with an arc-splash technique. The flat-bottom wok on induction has a uniformly hot surface on the bottom but the sides remain cool, causing all liquids in contact with the sides to run down to the bottom and begin boiling, just like when you try to stir-fry in a frying pan.

Candy-making is another cooking process that benefits greatly from the convection of natural gas combustion, since molten sugar will crystallize around the sides of a pan if they are not hot enough. Traditional candy-making is done in thin-walled, tin-lined copper pans. These pans don't work at all on induction (no ferromagnetic materials) but even if placed on a ferrous plate they would not perform well due to lack of heating of the sides.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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post #31

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Induction is better than gas in basically any way you can care to slice it, and natural gas in your home is actually quite bad for air quality. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-17/kitchen-pollutants-st...

I mean, if you are looking at unventilated kitchens, you are going to get bad values cooking. Pretty much period. Yes, by products of burning gas are bad. But by products of cooking are already bad. Ventilate your kitchen.

Induction is also faster to boil water, easier to clean since it's just flat glass, and safer since an induction stove without a pot/pan stays room temperature (in fact, they usually can detect if a pot/pan is present and automatically turn themselves off)

Induction is also particularly nice for certain types of cooking because many induction stoves can be set to a specific temperature instead of just to a power level.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Chineese phonemakers exist yet Apple pulls in a significant portion of profits due to their _halo_ allowing them to sell at a higher price point. Tesla had that, all Musk had to do was refrain himself from waving his hand around in that certain fashion. New registrations in Sweden for the past 3 years, Sweden alone would've probably absorbed about 14000 cars of that unsold stock. 2023 20388 341835 0,0596428101276932…

Buying a Tesla was already considered edgy in some demographics, but doing that famous fascist gesture because you feel powerful definitely crossed a line as far as Europeans are concerned.

DOGing half the US population didn't help. I guess he wasn't content firing most of twitter, then begging half of them to come back, only to then lament that twitter had lost 80% of it's value in this processs wasn't enough. He had to do the same to the entire US ... and it's still working.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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It could be, or you could consider it to be like a ship, in which case it is she !

ha! I stand corrected :-)

The most amusing to me is that British English considers a company a collective noun, and says "Apple are going to make an iPod" whereas the US considers it a singular entity and says "Apple is going to make an iPod".

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Yes, Elon's trajectory has been absolutely unbelievable since 2019 or so. Talk about a guy who cratered his whole reputation. It's a shame.

What did he do specifically to crater his reputation? Is it his politics? He seems to have reasonable beliefs there. It's not like he's been supporting Trump unconditionally. He doesn't always agree with Trump. Is it because of his stance in favor of free speech? How is that a bad thing? As someone who doesn't like any side of politics, I don't get it.

Two very public Nazi salutes without any attempt to deny it afterwards will certainly crater anyone's reputation. It's not really politics, but more a question of humanity, but then people don't become billionaires without having a contempt for others and a desire to underpay and mistreat everyone you come into contact with.
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