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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by smcin »

paulbjensen wrote: post #135
bearjaws wrote: post #8

Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

The Twitter social graph was an amazing data asset. I worked at a consumer insights firm and the data on followers/followings was quite powerful. Using a custom taxonomy of things (celebrities, influencers, magazines, brands, tv shows, films, games, all kinds of things), we could identify groups of people who liked certain things, and when you looked at what those things were, it gave you a way of understanding who t…

That Zuckerberg quote was published in 2013 and supposedly was made a year or more before. Was it about when Dick Costolo was CEO (2010-2012)?

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by catapart »

lol! no surer sign of a junior/naive/ignorant developer or manager than the sentiment "okay, well, let's start from scratch and do it right this time."

big projects generate cruft. there are ways to minimize it, but as you go along there will always be some stuff that doesn't quite mesh with whatever else you've got going on. if you insist on ironing out every single wrinkle (admirable!) you'll never actually deliver a result.

I'm not saying this will fail. green field projects can certainly be a godsend when they produce something better than what they attempt to replace. but they are always a sign of failure. of not being able to work your way out of the mess you made with the first attempt. so that just begs the question: what are you going to do when this attempt gets hard to work with? going to give up and start over again - do it right that time? or...?

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by zeroCalories »

Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

It's worse than that. Elon is a notoriously bad employer, and the only people that put up with him were the people that shared his vision. Pretty much the only people that will work for him now are second rate researchers and people that think gooner AI and racism is a worthwhile mission.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by daveguy »

yndoendo wrote: post #111
pelorat wrote: post #90

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Same, I earn 60K as a senior, but I would never accept a 200K+ position at xAI.

As an US Citizen, you have to pay me to engage with Elon Musk's businesses. He is not a good person and does not deserve respect or admiration.

As a US citizen, you couldn't even pay me to engage with Elon Musk's businesses. He is not a good person and does not deserve respect or admiration.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by cyanydeez »

paulbjensen wrote: post #135
bearjaws wrote: post #8

Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

The Twitter social graph was an amazing data asset. I worked at a consumer insights firm and the data on followers/followings was quite powerful. Using a custom taxonomy of things (celebrities, influencers, magazines, brands, tv shows, films, games, all kinds of things), we could identify groups of people who liked certain things, and when you looked at what those things were, it gave you a way of understanding who t…

It _was_ a great asset, however, just like models need proper data, as soon as musk removed the clamps on valuable social signals, well, he basically took a dump where he intended to eat.

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Post by natch »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #93
Herring wrote: post #63

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We're sadly well past friends of friends of friends coming in. At some point the only thing you can do as a non-bartender is to simply leave and never come back. I don't want to say we're at that point just yet. But it's something that's been gnawing at me for a while now. I've certainly been disillusioned of this being a progressive tech hub interested in bettering humanity.

Bettering humanity is a pretty good two word summary of what should be the meaning of life and everyone’s goal. Please don’t disengage.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by decimalenough »

gowld wrote: post #117
ryandrake wrote: post #97

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Are there actual good examples showing errors of fact on Wikipedia that are verifiably incorrect, that demonstrate how it is "captured"?

It's not errors of fact, it's errors of omitted facts.

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by slater »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #133
Herring wrote: post #63

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It might be a nazi bar, but it's a high-class fancy kind of nazi bar like you'd find on the Hindenburg, and that's more important.

Does that mean we get to throw the Nazis out the Hindenburg's window, cos they lack tickets?

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Post by rvnx »

facemelt2 wrote: post #84
libertine wrote: post #64

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And the amount of bots there isn't helpful either.

recent changes in their comment system have reduced my exposure to bots to a level I much prefer over every other platform I use

There are bots here too, lot of them, to a point that rules were amended, this is because it's very valuable to give points to new publications

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

weirdmantis69 wrote: post #122
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #77

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You wouldn't want to work for a genius? Probably the most significant person alive today?

Let's assume that you are correct. How is that relevant to how good he is as an employer? There are lots of people in history who were very significant and perhaps geniuses in some way that I wouldn't want to work for in a billion years.
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