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I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by bblcla »

rib3ye wrote: post #146
alecco wrote: post #18

But the "Anthropic fight" is mostly fake. Palantir was using Claude as base model. Anthropic allegedly took issue with unsupervised kills because the technology wasn't ready (or something along the lines). Also, I remember reading this guy has close ties to Anthropic. Also, I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere. Like Big Tech and the establishment are propping podcasts of controlled narrative/…

In my view, this guy's podcast didn't get big talking about AI, it's best known for cold war history and foreign policy discussions with Sarah Paine of the U.S. Naval War College.

Dwarkesh definitely got big in Silicon Valley from his AI podcasts. He's one of the few people who can get famous researchers on and also have them say something genuinely new.

After that, he become well-known to the general public through his Sarah Paine podcasts (which are excellent).

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by cushychicken »

alecco wrote: post #73
cushychicken wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Love the interviews Dwarkesh sponsored with Sarah Paine from the Naval War College. Also, somewhat spitefully, find it funny that he has multiple roommates.

Those ones were a bit on the nose, no?

Not sure what you mean, but I’d never heard of Sarah Paine before that. I thought she gave a very concise yet nuanced view of the modern world order in her lectures for Dwarkesh.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by BoredPositron »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #138
BoredPositron wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we are not talking about china.

> But we are not talking about china Author literally is.

And in this subthread we are talking about republics which you are keen to mention china isn't.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by keybored »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47
ang_cire wrote: post #43

The author is naive. > The whole background of this AI conversation is that we’re in a race with China, and we have to win. But what is the reason we want America to win the AI race? It’s because we want to make sure free open societies can defend themselves. We don’t want the winner of the AI race to be a government which operates on the principle that there is no such thing as a truly private company or a private c…

> go off about how we're such a better country that believes in freedom and goodness Better than China as a global model? Still, yes, probably. Potentially. Depends on how the next few years ago. Even if America fails, I’d argue a global republic is a brighter potential future than a global dictatorship.

Even if more illegal wars are started in the Middle East, even if inequality gets more obscene, VCs on HN are still going to insist that We The Good Guys are the champions of freedom, equality, justice, all the good stuff that we don’t practice (but we have great ideas about).

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

keybored wrote: post #154
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> go off about how we're such a better country that believes in freedom and goodness Better than China as a global model? Still, yes, probably. Potentially. Depends on how the next few years ago. Even if America fails, I’d argue a global republic is a brighter potential future than a global dictatorship.

Even if more illegal wars are started in the Middle East, even if inequality gets more obscene, VCs on HN are still going to insist that We The Good Guys are the champions of freedom, equality, justice, all the good stuff that we don’t practice (but we have great ideas about).

> VCs on HN are still going to insist that We The Good Guys are the champions of freedom, equality, justice, all the good stuff that we don’t practice (but we have great ideas about)

They might. I’m not. There is an analogy here to perfect being the enemy of good. Or, at the very least, the pragmatic better.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

BoredPositron wrote: post #153
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But we are not talking about china Author literally is.

And in this subthread we are talking about republics which you are keen to mention china isn't.

> in this subthread we are talking about republics which you are keen to mention china isn't

This subthread is part of the broader discussion. There are lots of Reddit corners for debating whether America is a republic. I haven’t seen any novel arguments in a while. The argument for whether an American AI is useful out of an American republic, its dying republic or even its embers is the germane one here, and I think it speaks decisively in favor against the one that’s proudly autocratic without organized dissent.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

recursive wrote: post #78
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is Trump really not a dictator? No. There is no court in Beijing that can tell Xi to knock it off. > China hasn't bombed girls' schools Read up on the treatment of Uyghur girls in the Chinese schools. It’s Indian Removal Act stuff, except right now. Again, nobody is arguing America is a beacon of anything right now. But between America and China, one is an explicit and proud autocracy.

What's the difference between a court whose orders you can ignore and a court that doesn't exist? Sounds like a question for the philosophers.

> What's the difference between a court whose orders you can ignore and a court that doesn't exist?

SCOTUS isn’t being ignored.

> Sounds like a question for the philosophers

And lawyers. It’s an interesting series of hypotheticals.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by latchkey »

observationist wrote: post #86
alecco wrote: post #18

But the "Anthropic fight" is mostly fake. Palantir was using Claude as base model. Anthropic allegedly took issue with unsupervised kills because the technology wasn't ready (or something along the lines). Also, I remember reading this guy has close ties to Anthropic. Also, I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere. Like Big Tech and the establishment are propping podcasts of controlled narrative/…

It doesn't matter what you know so much as who you know. Networking is the most precious currency. He met the right people, got the right guests, and surfed a wave of fortunate occurrences. He was roommates with Dylan Patel of TheIjnformation, and John Y of Asionometry, and has since developed a wide range of high level industry contacts. Sometimes people succeed without earning it, and what matters is what they do w…

> Dylan Patel of TheIjnformation

SemiAnalysis

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by Henchman21 »

mips_avatar wrote: post #33
alecco wrote: post #18

But the "Anthropic fight" is mostly fake. Palantir was using Claude as base model. Anthropic allegedly took issue with unsupervised kills because the technology wasn't ready (or something along the lines). Also, I remember reading this guy has close ties to Anthropic. Also, I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere. Like Big Tech and the establishment are propping podcasts of controlled narrative/…

He's roommates with an Anthropic researcher, I was roommates with a Google product manager I don't think I'm really bought out by Google.

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