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I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by M00nF1sh »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47
ang_cire wrote: post #43

The author is naive. > The whole background of this AI conversation is that we’re in a race with China, and we have to win. But what is the reason we want America to win the AI race? It’s because we want to make sure free open societies can defend themselves. We don’t want the winner of the AI race to be a government which operates on the principle that there is no such thing as a truly private company or a private c…

> go off about how we're such a better country that believes in freedom and goodness Better than China as a global model? Still, yes, probably. Potentially. Depends on how the next few years ago. Even if America fails, I’d argue a global republic is a brighter potential future than a global dictatorship.

Is Trump really not a dictator? Meanwhile, China has been focusing on domestic development and investing in underdeveloped regions, including across Africa. China hasn't bombed girls' schools and then lied that it's their own country thrown the bomb.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

BoredPositron wrote: post #52
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> go off about how we're such a better country that believes in freedom and goodness Better than China as a global model? Still, yes, probably. Potentially. Depends on how the next few years ago. Even if America fails, I’d argue a global republic is a brighter potential future than a global dictatorship.

A republic without the rule of law is not a republic anymore.

> republic without the rule of law is not a republic anymore

An observation one can make when comparing a republic with the rule of law to one that ain’t, whether across time or geography. There is a real benefit to having the American experiment prominent and continuing.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by cushychicken »

Readerium wrote: post #21
alecco wrote: post #18

But the "Anthropic fight" is mostly fake. Palantir was using Claude as base model. Anthropic allegedly took issue with unsupervised kills because the technology wasn't ready (or something along the lines). Also, I remember reading this guy has close ties to Anthropic. Also, I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere. Like Big Tech and the establishment are propping podcasts of controlled narrative/…

Yes he is room-mates with.

Love the interviews Dwarkesh sponsored with Sarah Paine from the Naval War College.

Also, somewhat spitefully, find it funny that he has multiple roommates.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

M00nF1sh wrote: post #61
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> go off about how we're such a better country that believes in freedom and goodness Better than China as a global model? Still, yes, probably. Potentially. Depends on how the next few years ago. Even if America fails, I’d argue a global republic is a brighter potential future than a global dictatorship.

Is Trump really not a dictator? Meanwhile, China has been focusing on domestic development and investing in underdeveloped regions, including across Africa. China hasn't bombed girls' schools and then lied that it's their own country thrown the bomb.

> Is Trump really not a dictator?

No. There is no court in Beijing that can tell Xi to knock it off.

> China hasn't bombed girls' schools

Read up on the treatment of Uyghur girls in the Chinese schools. It’s Indian Removal Act stuff, except right now.

Again, nobody is arguing America is a beacon of anything right now. But between America and China, one is an explicit and proud autocracy.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by ang_cire »

margalabargala wrote: post #58
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> go off about how we're such a better country that believes in freedom and goodness Better than China as a global model? Still, yes, probably. Potentially. Depends on how the next few years ago. Even if America fails, I’d argue a global republic is a brighter potential future than a global dictatorship.

Add to that all the military posturing over Taiwan and it's clear that it's not "China doesn't do what the US does", it's "China hasn't done it...yet." The idea that anyone would be better off with China supplanting the US is asinine. This is the same government that committed the Tiananmen square massacre and still doesn't acknowledge that anything happened.

I don't see anyone arguing that we'd be better off with China, but I am arguing that neither the US or China can be trusted with this, so the author positing "US AI dominance good to keep China at bay" is bad.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by awesome_dude »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #54
awesome_dude wrote: post #38

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AI didn't invent the terms, they were a part of the training data given to it. The real tell is that you've not been in the group of people that use these terms frequently enough for you to think they're normal. It's like the emdash alarmism, AI never invented emdash, nor did it invent using it frequently. Its training was full of examples, so many that AI picked up using it frequently.

> like the emdash alarmism, AI never invented emdash, nor did it invent using it frequently. Its training was full of examples, so many that AI picked up using it frequently Look at my comment history. I emdash. But I adapted by removing the spaces around them—AI hasn’t similarly adapted. Most comments on HN with emdashes aren’t slop. But if it starts getting into Wernicke word-salad territory and there are emdashes?…

LOL

I'm laughing not at you but the ludicrousness of the times - I use endash heavily, have done for a minute, but now I see endash used by LLMs with no surrounding spaces.

I think that the "identify AI by some artefact" is just another game of whack-a-mole, and the better approach is to look at the quality of what's being presented.

I have argued before, and still feel strongly, that LLM/AI generated images/audio/text is causing a stronger inspection of what's being presented as fact, which is a healthy thing (how far that will go is yet to be determined, as per when the availability of Photoshop generated content exploded)

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by fn-mote »

ekidd wrote: post #25
zer00eyz wrote: post #6

> But within 20 years, 99% of the workforce in the military, the government, and the private sector will be AIs. I haven't seen this much hype and hopium since the dot com boom. The whole open AI -> Anthropic saga just reeks of the same evolution of Viant/Scient. Look we have an amazing tool, but it has some fundamental shortcomings that the industry seems to want to burry its head in the sand about. The moment the h…

> I haven't seen this much hype and hopium since the dot com boom. The notion that 99% of the workforce and military will be AIs isn't "copium", it's grounds for absolute terror. One of two things will be true: 1. The AIs will be controlled by the Epstein class, who will then have no use for most of humanity, either as workers or soldiers. 2. Or the AIs will be controlled by the AIs themselves, which also seems worri…

The GP does not believe that AI is going to end up running 99% of everything. Ever.

The GP is saying that it’s a major over-extrapolation of the current progress.

You seem to be assuming we will get there instead of expecting the cracks will become more and more obvious.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by pydry »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56
ang_cire wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real lie here is that there's an ethical superpower. Just like being a billionaire (or, super-wealther, if you will), you don't get to be a superpower by doing good things. China and the US can both be bad, and they're both going to use AI for mass internal and external surveillance and weapon targeting.

> real lie here is that there's an ethical superpower It’s a lie in the way cats are round is a lie—actually a lie, but one nobody brought up. I don’t think Dwarkesh is arguing for global American hegemony. Just that if AI becomes dominant, having AIs embedded with American cultural values, broadly, is probably better than having ones seeded with Xi Jinping thought. > China and the US can both be bad, and they're bot…

>AIs embedded with American cultural values, broadly, is probably better than having ones seeded with Xi Jinping thought.

I'd really rather have a choice of both rather than be forced to accept "AI that downplays a 2 year old genocide" over "AI that covers up a 40 year massacre".

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

awesome_dude wrote: post #67
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> like the emdash alarmism, AI never invented emdash, nor did it invent using it frequently. Its training was full of examples, so many that AI picked up using it frequently Look at my comment history. I emdash. But I adapted by removing the spaces around them—AI hasn’t similarly adapted. Most comments on HN with emdashes aren’t slop. But if it starts getting into Wernicke word-salad territory and there are emdashes?…

LOL I'm laughing not at you but the ludicrousness of the times - I use endash heavily, have done for a minute, but now I see endash used by LLMs with no surrounding spaces. I think that the "identify AI by some artefact" is just another game of whack-a-mole, and the better approach is to look at the quality of what's being presented. I have argued before, and still feel strongly, that LLM/AI generated images/audio/te…

> now I see endash used by LLMs with no surrounding spaces

Goddamit. (Flippity floppity floop.)

> LLM/AI generated images/audio/text is causing a stronger inspection of what's being presented as fact, which is a healthy thing

If it is, I agree. What I think is actually happening is folks are skimming and then concluding on vibes. Unfortunately, that means “I don’t agree” gets lumped in with “this is slop.”

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