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Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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if modern UK life was a video game, "male" would be an easier difficulty level than "female". Can you explain this in concrete terms? This meme is repeated often, but few people actually explain what it means. Taking it literally, it would suggest that monsters receive +20% elemental resistance when women attack them with an ice-infused mace. But that's probably not what you mean. There are statistically less problem…

Can you explain this in concrete terms? Women still make 77 cents to the male dollar. Women have much higher incidences of anxiety and depression disorders. Women are substantially more likely to be the victims of domestic violence, and 1 in 5 are raped. Etc etc. These statistics don't guarantee that every woman is worse off than every man - clearly that's not true - but they do mean that women have, on average, more…

Women still make 77 cents to the male dollar. Women have much higher incidences of anxiety and depression disorders...[etc]

Whereas men have much higher incidences of other personality traits and are more likely to be victims of violent crime in general (particularly homicide). Until you quantify all such traits and trends, you can't conclude one group is (statistically) operating on "easy mode".

In any case, based on what you've said, the "women play life on hard mode" meme is actually misleading. I can't think of a single game in which the difference between easy and hard mode is a 2% vs 1% chance of encountering a Balrog, or a higher proportion of hard-mode players choosing Paladin over Necromancer (analogizing Necromancer to the $1.00 earning profession, Paladin to the $0.77 earning profession).

Usually, if you're trying to fix something, it's worth trying to figure out what the root causes are.

But according to you, the root cause is unkind treatment, depression and violent crime. The reference class {victim of violent crime} is far more likely to be a crime victim than the class {women}.

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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post #130

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Out of interest, are you familiar with Venkatesh Rao's "Be Slightly Evil" mailing list? He has a similar worldview to you (cynical realpolitick as an amoral tool, usable for good or evil).

No. I'll look into it.

FWIW I have twice tried to get Venkatesh to read your blog: http://ribbonfarm.posterous.com/tech-companies-open-allocati...

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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Progress is being made, but there is still a long way to go. This happened in a talk at a programming/web/tech event two weeks ago: http://i.imgur.com/4hL6X.jpg

Do tech women identify somehow with this girl in the picture and feel offended? When guy sees some looser made fun of on some picture he thinks: "Hehe. What a looser!" as he sees almost no resemblance between him and the looser. Does women feel more strongly connected to other women because of shared gender than men?

I'd feel offended if presented with this sort of nonsense at a tech talk. The implication of the picture, given the structure and history of our society, is that women are there to be pretty and submissive and men are there to control women with money. That and it makes absolutely no sense as an analogy for MVC, it's just a cheap shot in an attempt to titillate an assumed audience of sexist men. So yes, women in an audience presented with that sort of image are probably going to feel alienated and offended, and no that is not some special sensitivity or empathy for other women, it's because of all the assumptions which come with using a picture like that (women are not my audience, pretty women are controlled by men with money, women are there to be looked at by men, etc).

PS When referring to losers, use the correct spelling

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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post #137

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if modern UK life was a video game, "male" would be an easier difficulty level than "female". Can you explain this in concrete terms? This meme is repeated often, but few people actually explain what it means. Taking it literally, it would suggest that monsters receive +20% elemental resistance when women attack them with an ice-infused mace. But that's probably not what you mean. There are statistically less problem…

Can you explain this in concrete terms? This meme is repeated often, but few people actually explain what it means. Basically males often do not have to put with things that women often do. The concrete example is in this article. If you're a male contracter and start in a new IT place, and the other co-workers know nothing else about you beside (a) you're working here and (b) you are male, then they are much less li…

This is not remotely close to what "easy mode" and "hard mode" mean in video games. I'm now convinced this meme should die since it obscures more than it helps. Hard mode is not "elevated chance of Balrog attacks, reduced chance of Death Knight attacks".

And as you correctly note, the statistical reference class of men have it easier (in some regards), and harder in other regards. For example:

"If a straight woman wishes to meet a new person, she merely needs to show up and not be fat. If a straight man wants to meet a new person, he must engage in a great deal of active effort."

"A woman is much less likely to be the victim of homicide by a business associate than a man."

So even if you wanted to make some sort of statistical "easy mode" claim, you'd still need to quantify both the benefits and drawbacks to make such a comparison.

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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(a) In your hypothetical example, everyone seems to be heterosexual. I assure you reality doesn't fully match your theory. (b) It's just an "attractive female" advantage, "attractive men" have been found to have similar advantages.

a: Taking sexual orientation into question plays no good for anybody especially since it's completely individual aspect. b: There's no "attractive male" advantage to be found in tech, at least not compared to "attractive female" advantage as your parent explained.

> b: There's no "attractive male" advantage to be found in tech, at least not compared to "attractive female" advantage as your parent explained.

Here's an excerpt from Vanity Fair's take on YC:

Today, Jason Shen is a different speaker, one who exudes confidence. As he approaches the dais, the former collegiate gymnast does a cartwheel. “I thought you guys need a little pick-me-up or something,” he says, and goes into his pitch. “Ridejoy is the community marketplace for rides. If you’re going on a trip, you can list extra seat space in your car. And if you need to get somewhere, you can find a ride using our site.” He explains that Ridejoy is adding an element of “reputation” to ride-sharing, a mechanism for payments, and a “great user experience.” Shen anticipates a question that may be in the minds of the audience members: “Maybe this is some kind of crazy San Francisco hipster thing. It’s not.”

I think you'll find that a lot of entrepreneurs work out. It has tremendous carryover benefits to confidence and social interactions like hustling startups.

[1] http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2012/10/y-combinator-star...

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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My personal favorite example: http://sachachua.com/blog/ She wrote org-mode for Emacs. Now she is at IBM Research.

Carsten Dominik wrote org-mode. Looks like she maintained Remember-mode and Planner-mode at one point though.

My fault - I remember that she wrote a popular Emacs package, but forgot the name.

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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I really liked this article. Most blogs about women in Tech these days are centered around the mindset of victimhood.

Having gone to an engineering school, I know full well the power that women can exert in an environment full of socially-hapless geeky guys.

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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post #142

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(a) In your hypothetical example, everyone seems to be heterosexual. I assure you reality doesn't fully match your theory. I'm talking about social status and "coolness" which are not identical to sexual "market value". In fact, I think it's a bad idea for women to exploit any sexual "assets", because a woman who is visibly trying to do so won't be taken seriously. I'm talking about a more general-purpose social asse…

Men in that age range have low social status (theirs starts out very low, but increases into the 40s and 50s) while women at that age have high social status (and it declines with age). If I'm parsing this right, you're saying women's social status is mostly based on looks (you say it's better around then) and less so on (cay) career, whereas men's social status is less based on looks, and more on career. You're prob…

It pretty much explains the 50-70 year old exec with the 23 year old arm candy that seems to be so common...2 people in their relative primes.

Re: Why it is Awesome to be a Girl in Tech

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post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(a) In your hypothetical example, everyone seems to be heterosexual. I assure you reality doesn't fully match your theory. I'm talking about social status and "coolness" which are not identical to sexual "market value". In fact, I think it's a bad idea for women to exploit any sexual "assets", because a woman who is visibly trying to do so won't be taken seriously. I'm talking about a more general-purpose social asse…

Men in that age range have low social status (theirs starts out very low, but increases into the 40s and 50s) while women at that age have high social status (and it declines with age). If I'm parsing this right, you're saying women's social status is mostly based on looks (you say it's better around then) and less so on (cay) career, whereas men's social status is less based on looks, and more on career. You're prob…

If you fight this, will you :

a) change the system and improve your success ?

b) fail and lower your success ?

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