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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by sneak »

reaperducer wrote: post #74

It makes one wonder how long until dang is forced to turn over logs of who responds in certain ways to certain messages on HN, and who upvotes prohibited thought.

You should assume that the IP address used for any online service (which for most people maps with timestamp to their home address and credit card for the cable bill) is not secret.

I use a VPN router that sends all of my traffic to a public VPN; if you don’t want HN having your location and identity, stop giving it to them.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by OutOfHere »

PearlRiver wrote: post #148
Terr_ wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, you must not be American. At least over here--the subject of the news post--that belief would be considered pro-dictatorship nonsense. The US Federal government has different branches, and only certain branches have certain powers. This is widely known because we teach this to US children before they are 14 years old, sometimes aided by literal cartoons. These "warrants" are not at all equivalent, the same way th…

Wait until you find out judges are appointed by the president... It is actually amazing America managed to function as well as it has been to be honest.

Yes. It's incredible that:

1. The loopholes were not exploited sooner.

2. No one cares about patching them, not before real-world identification, and not even after identification. They only keep increasing.

The only saving grace has been the two term limit of the President.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by PearlRiver »

Aeolun wrote: post #73

I just recently played “The Last of Us” for the first time, and I feel like the US is going full steam ahead towards establishing that FEDRA service they had. Or at least, turn ICE/DHS into the same damn thing.

I played Deus Ex and the FEMA camps are now ICE camps.

Empires do not fall with dignity or grace I suppose.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by sneak »

jazz9k wrote: post #130
hodgehog11 wrote: post #17

This is the point where most of the public would probably acknowledge that digital privacy is worth seeking. If you're in a fascist or communist state, announcing your political opinions online without anonymity is generally not advisable.

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> Until all of these things are addressed, I certainly won't support the freedom of speech for people that won't support mine.

That means you don’t support freedom of speech. But we already knew that because you already explained your authoritarian views.

What I don’t understand is why authoritarians such as yourself (as well as many of the what I call “blue MAGA” authoritarian counterparts on the left) still pay lip service to concepts such as free speech and the rule of law. These concepts fundamentally encapsulate that they are applied equally. If you don’t support them for your enemies (and criminals, and immigrants, and trans people, etc), then you simply don’t support them, period. “Free speech for my side” simply isn’t. “The rule of law (but only for citizens)” isn’t support for the rule of law.

I find all forms of government censorship to be abhorrent, regardless of which party is in power. I support free speech and freedom from government interference for the MAGA crowd as I do for everyone else, despite their active and continued efforts to curtail my legal rights to same (as Trump has repeatedly said out loud).

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Post by charcircuit »

plorkyeran wrote: post #150
charcircuit wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The entire point of having multiple branches of government is that they have different powers.

There are both different powers and similar powers between the different branches.

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Post by hypeatei »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

> It doesn't matter who the president is

It clearly does as your comment was very pointed towards Obama but fails to mention Trump once. I'm curious as to why that would be? Are you ignoring the massive amount of funding that ICE/DHS has received to invade cities of the President's opponents to crush dissent? Or maybe the threats of face scanning to be put on a "domestic terrorist" list? I don't recall Obama doing those things. A common pattern I'm seeing during this admin is: good things are attributed directly to Trump, but bad things are the government having too much power that his predecessors can be blamed for.

"Good tsar, bad boyars"

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Post by charcircuit »

Terr_ wrote: post #132
charcircuit wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ah, you must not be American. At least over here--the subject of the news post--that belief would be considered pro-dictatorship nonsense. The US Federal government has different branches, and only certain branches have certain powers. This is widely known because we teach this to US children before they are 14 years old, sometimes aided by literal cartoons. These "warrants" are not at all equivalent, the same way th…

The constitution does not give the judicial branch the exclusive power of issuing warrants. Having certain exclusive powers doing mean every action can only be exclusively done by them. Each branch has an obligation to adhere to the constitution.

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Post by mindslight »

sneak wrote: post #154
jazz9k wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Until all of these things are addressed, I certainly won't support the freedom of speech for people that won't support mine. That means you don’t support freedom of speech. But we already knew that because you already explained your authoritarian views. What I don’t understand is why authoritarians such as yourself (as well as many of the what I call “blue MAGA” authoritarian counterparts on the left) still pay lip…

Republican propagandists were quite successful at spinning the emergent corporate infringement of natural rights as a bona fide illegal government action led by "the left", to fool enough useful idiots into supporting their "alternative" of a wannabe-dictator planning a full scale governmental assault on our rights.

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

Alupis wrote: post #133
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said thousands of victims, not thousands of babies or murders. That much is confirmed even by the FBI. https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1407001/dl?inline#:~:text=... Some of these claims don't have bulletproof video evidence and DNA, and i suspect you would call those fake too even if they did but they are not unbelievable when considered in the context of everything that's been shown. I can't do that for you. Any…

Here's a quote from your original comment: > murder of hundreds or thousands of girls and 1 year old babies

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