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Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by 0xy »

reverius42 wrote: post #136
0xy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, completely false. An EAD does not issue ANY immigration status, period. He had no legal status prior to marriage and still has no legal status because he has no green card and has racked up 20 years of overstay. EADs are not issued to people with immigration status (eg. citizens or permanent residents). It is ONLY issued to those with no status.

If "immigration" and "work authorization" are two completely different things, are you claiming that everyone in the US on a work visa is an "illegal immigrant"? Surely "having work authorization" counts as some kind of legal status or we wouldn't have people on work visas at all.

I made no such claim. I explicitly said that an EAD implies no legal status in itself. A pending Adjustment of Status does not provide legal status, either. If you already had a massive overstay, and your Adjustment of Status was likely to be denied due to ineligibility, and you have an order of removal, you're going home, of course.

And as we now know, the Irish man in question:

- Entered under VWP, which EXPLICITLY bars any form of status adjustment

- Filed a Habeas Corpus petition, which was denied by a judge

- Has a final order of removal, signed by a judge, not an administrator

In fact, you need to just take a look at the back of an EAD card. It explicitly states it is not evidence of status.

This guy is a weird hill for you to die on. He overstayed TWENTY YEARS and immigration courts, which are known to be far more lenient, have denied his ridiculous arguments to stay.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by 0xy »

goatlover wrote: post #47
0xy wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not assume anything. He specifically mentions he was able to work because of an EAD associated with his I-485 Adjustment of Status application, which is the only possible pathway to green card after marriage to a USC. There is no U.S. visa which allows 20 year stays with no work authorization. Doesn't exist. So he entered illegally. >Why throw him in a detention center Because he committed immigration fraud? Ov…

So is smoking weed according the US federal government. Whether there is an actual harm being caused that should result in detainment is another matter. I'd argue ripping people away from their lives is a greater harm (via deportation or imprisonment).

That's for the courts to decide, and in this case his Habeas Corpus petition was denied and he has a final order of removal signed by an immigration court judge, who is not a part of the administration.

His I-485 is ineligible, period. He entered under the VWP, which makes you ineligible for any adjustment of status. His case would have been denied, undoubtedly.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

#153

Post by cherry_tree »

rayiner wrote: post #25
pavel_lishin wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The man concedes he came to the U.S. illegally. Not according to the article? > "And I did, I complied with everything they said. They asked me if I had a Green Card, I said I didn't, I said I was married to a citizen and that I had a marriage-based petition in place and I was just about to receive my Green Card and that I had a work permit to be here and work." > He said he had received the work permit about "a mo…

It's in the legal filings: https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton... "Culleton concedes he is removable under the VWP. Reply 10." He came to the U.S. under the Visa Waiver Program, which is limited to 90 days, back in 2009.

Which is to say, he came here legally with a 90 day visa. Not illegally as you stated previously.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by reverius42 »

0xy wrote: post #151
reverius42 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If "immigration" and "work authorization" are two completely different things, are you claiming that everyone in the US on a work visa is an "illegal immigrant"? Surely "having work authorization" counts as some kind of legal status or we wouldn't have people on work visas at all.

I made no such claim. I explicitly said that an EAD implies no legal status in itself. A pending Adjustment of Status does not provide legal status, either. If you already had a massive overstay, and your Adjustment of Status was likely to be denied due to ineligibility, and you have an order of removal, you're going home, of course. And as we now know, the Irish man in question: - Entered under VWP, which EXPLICITLY…

I'm not dying on any hill! Sorry, I just misunderstood your point the first time. Thank you for clarifying.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

#155

Post by donkeybeer »

hikkerl wrote: post #146
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see what violence gets them, just people die and the conclusion will still be the same. I love immigrants and don't care if my skin color is no longer common, heck I experienced this already when spending 9 years in China. 200-300 years from now we all would have mixed up anyways, we are all humans afterall and who is to say that certain humans have the right to prosperity while others don't based ancestry (b…

Traitors first. Shame on you.

Hikkerl, your kind are hilarious fucking retards. You are so fucked in the head you think people saying you are a retard is censorship and intermarriage is violent murderous genocide. Who is murdering white people? No wonder with such utterly fucked in the head stupidity and psychotic mental retardation your fucked up kind are attracted to made up completely imaginary crap. Honestly I think your kind is so hilariously brainfucked you should be kept in pens for your own good. You are fine with it since you prefer antidemocratic systems. Answer or fuck off from here.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by donkeybeer »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #135
hikkerl wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't see what violence gets them, just people die and the conclusion will still be the same. I love immigrants and don't care if my skin color is no longer common, heck I experienced this already when spending 9 years in China. 200-300 years from now we all would have mixed up anyways, we are all humans afterall and who is to say that certain humans have the right to prosperity while others don't based ancestry (b…

If the nazism didn't already make it clear what a complete fucking retard his kind is, look at this interaction:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46898304

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by 0xy »

reverius42 wrote: post #154
0xy wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made no such claim. I explicitly said that an EAD implies no legal status in itself. A pending Adjustment of Status does not provide legal status, either. If you already had a massive overstay, and your Adjustment of Status was likely to be denied due to ineligibility, and you have an order of removal, you're going home, of course. And as we now know, the Irish man in question: - Entered under VWP, which EXPLICITLY…

I'm not dying on any hill! Sorry, I just misunderstood your point the first time. Thank you for clarifying.

The same Irish man left Ireland because he was facing drug charges. I guess now we know why he overstayed 20 years, he fled Irish police.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by 0xy »

tencentshill wrote: post #89
0xy wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not assume anything. He specifically mentions he was able to work because of an EAD associated with his I-485 Adjustment of Status application, which is the only possible pathway to green card after marriage to a USC. There is no U.S. visa which allows 20 year stays with no work authorization. Doesn't exist. So he entered illegally. >Why throw him in a detention center Because he committed immigration fraud? Ov…

The letter of the law is not black and white. Think critically - why did they turn a relatively blind eye to this issue in all past administrations? Immigrants of any kind are a net benefit to the wealthy and powerful. No billionaire obeys the law to the letter either. It would be nice if we enforced the written law with this level of zeal upon the rich. Pay taxes in "creative" ways? Hire an illegal? Straight to jail…

The same Irish man left Ireland because he was facing drug charges. I guess now we know why he overstayed 20 years, he fled Irish police.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by 0xy »

cdrnsf wrote: post #43

Regardless of the circumstances, if you're not a US citizen I would encourage you to not travel to the US. Even if you _are_ a US citizen you may well be harassed and abused by ICE.

The Irish man you're referring to fled Ireland because of drug dealing charges, by the way. He's a fugitive.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by cdrnsf »

0xy wrote: post #159
cdrnsf wrote: post #43

Regardless of the circumstances, if you're not a US citizen I would encourage you to not travel to the US. Even if you _are_ a US citizen you may well be harassed and abused by ICE.

The Irish man you're referring to fled Ireland because of drug dealing charges, by the way. He's a fugitive.

The situation would have been handled appropriately under previous administrations without deploying a paramilitary to kill civilians in the street.
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