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Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by rayiner »

goatlover wrote: post #109
rootusrootus wrote: post #78

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That is a moral argument, not a legal one. Plenty of people would call what you are describing a moral hazard to be avoided. I imagine the people who are going through the process legally would be especially outraged.

You go through the legal process to make sure you have all the rights of being here legally and don't have to continue worrying about it. That doesn't mean someone who's status changes over time should be detained and deported simply because they're no longer here legally or their legality is in dispute. There are other ways to handle it. Why be outraged at someone else's status? People migrate for all sorts of reaso…

Someone who came to the U.S. from a first world country on a 90-day visa waiver meant for tourism and business trips should be immediately deported if they overstay their visa. It’s actually the clearest case for deportation there is.

And you should be outraged at people who don’t follow the rules. One of the things that makes America a first world country is that cutting in line is considered a crime against society and carries heavy social consequences. Saying “don’t make noise when you see other people breaking the rules” is the mentality that exists in the third world country I’m from and it has no place in the U.S.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by ghouse »

tim-tday wrote: post #104
ghouse wrote: post #8

Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

I think you misspoke. “Protects” is a statement of fact which does not resemble current facts. “is supposed to protect” would be more accurate. The as built does not currently match the plan provided by the constitution and rule of law. Please see your nearest democratic representative to address the problem.

+1

I considered "(is supposed to)" preceding "protect"

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by mindslight »

blell wrote: post #59
alsetmusic wrote: post #53

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Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.

Immigrants are a problem created by wealthy people with the intention of dumping the cost of labour.

Exactly. And now that labor's bargaining power has been thoroughly smashed for good, the problem they've perpetuated and grown serves as a convenient excuse for the need for lawless terror gangs and concentration camps to keep disempowered and desperate people in their place.

I'm frankly amazed at how people can look at the capital strike orchestrated with the AI narrative, protests being attacked by the aforementioned jackboots, the big tech authoritarians taking the gloves off, and a corrupt pay-to-play administration looting our country, and then conclude that any of this will somehow lead to everyday citizens being more enfranchised.

Sure, immigration reform could have achieved this twenty years ago. But powerful business interests didn't let it happen then, so it behooves you to start questioning why they are outright championing it now!

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by hikkerl »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #130
hikkerl wrote: post #126

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Again, if you're going to condemn Europeans for any actions committed in the course of colonisation and support the natives' right to violent defence of their territory, then you must also grant the current custodians of the territory the right to violent defence against illegal immigrants whose heinous crimes against our people make for often-shocking headlines.

Yes, and just like we will eventually be displaced (violently or not) by new arrivals as well, since "might makes right," correct? It's just how it goes: white settlers kick brown (Indian descended with some European blood) Mexicans off their land, later brown Mexican descendants jump border into the USA to get that land back, white settler descendants kick them away again but demographics means those white settler d…

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Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hikkerl wrote: post #134
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #130

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Yes, and just like we will eventually be displaced (violently or not) by new arrivals as well, since "might makes right," correct? It's just how it goes: white settlers kick brown (Indian descended with some European blood) Mexicans off their land, later brown Mexican descendants jump border into the USA to get that land back, white settler descendants kick them away again but demographics means those white settler d…

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I don't see what violence gets them, just people die and the conclusion will still be the same.

I love immigrants and don't care if my skin color is no longer common, heck I experienced this already when spending 9 years in China.

200-300 years from now we all would have mixed up anyways, we are all humans afterall and who is to say that certain humans have the right to prosperity while others don't based ancestry (because their claim morally is much stronger than ours!).

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by reverius42 »

0xy wrote: post #29
nextaccountic wrote: post #18

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https://universityfinance.richmond.edu/payroll/international... An EAD gives a person legal status to work in the United States but has fewer privileges than a green card.

Again, completely false. An EAD does not issue ANY immigration status, period. He had no legal status prior to marriage and still has no legal status because he has no green card and has racked up 20 years of overstay. EADs are not issued to people with immigration status (eg. citizens or permanent residents). It is ONLY issued to those with no status.

If "immigration" and "work authorization" are two completely different things, are you claiming that everyone in the US on a work visa is an "illegal immigrant"? Surely "having work authorization" counts as some kind of legal status or we wouldn't have people on work visas at all.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by panda-giddiness »

0xy wrote: post #17
ghostly_s wrote: post #12

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Nowhere in the article does he "concede he came to the U.S. illegally."

Yes it does. He mentions he was able to work because of an Employment Authorization Document associated with his pending I-485 Adjustment of Status, but has been in the US for 20 years. There is no US visa that allows living there for 20 years without work authorization. He entered illegally (or overstayed illegally) then tried to adjust status based on marriage, which is fraud.

Entering illegally != Overstaying a visa.

That may sound like a distinction without a difference to you, but legally they provide very different avenues for acquiring a residency permit.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by alsetmusic »

blell wrote: post #59
alsetmusic wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.

Immigrants are a problem created by wealthy people with the intention of dumping the cost of labour.

You're right! George Soros is importing all of these immigrants because it somehow increases his bottom line.

Foolish. Programmed. Buying into bullshit.

My partner is an immigrant. Did she steal the job you would have done at Whole Foods? No. She didn't.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by alsetmusic »

rayiner wrote: post #106
pavel_lishin wrote: post #102

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> People who think immigration isn't important are just ignorant about culture and the reasons some societies are more successful than others. Neighborhood dogs are barking for some reason!

No whistling: some cultures are better adapted to developing modern democratic societies than others. That’s not even a controversial statement: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/09/joseph-henric... “One of the points I want to make is a lot of the big institutions we think about, like Western law or representative government, actually flow, in part, from the way people think about the world. It wasn’t that…

I'm sorry, buddy. I recognize your name. I don't know if that's because your comments are high quality or low quality. But these posts are low quality. I find your arguments absurd.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by alsetmusic »

rayiner wrote: post #92
alsetmusic wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.

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> People who think immigration isn't important are just ignorant about culture and the reasons some societies are more successful than others.

I'm sorry, friend. You're announcing yourself as the worst kind of USA person. No one is less than us. Our success is a lot of luck (Europe destroyed post-WWII), not because we were special.

I'll remember your username now.

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