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Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

direwolf20 wrote: post #147
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #141

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Yea some cloud providers are notorious for it. Netcup does oversubscribe/overshare but not sooo much. I have a server there and I don't really observe too much but although I haven't really gotten ways to detect that stealing factor but there are definitely scripts to detect it, maybe I will run it some day but oh well the laziness. The most overshared vps provider I know is contabo. Literally search anything on redd…

Their goal should be to keep stealing close to zero while utilizing all their hardware. You want this too, because it keeps costs down. It does mean sometimes there will be stealing spikes, but most customers don't want to spend twice as much to avoid that, so it's a win/win.

Agreed. From what I know in hosting business/vps providers, they usually have it for a 2x factor. And honestly its not even noticable so much mostly as you mention not unless they have a crazy factor like from what I hear contabo has from forums

This is also the reason why vps's are said to not use 100% usage 24/7 as it can be noisy for other people.

Also another interesting idea by netcup is that they launche virtual dedicated cores (but still vps at heart) where you actually can use 100% usage 24/7 but to be honest on websites like lowendtalk, I have heard that be described as eerily similar to either bare metal instance or this new cloud metal instance terminology as well but the difference to me feels vdedicores atleast on netcup are focused to be more cheaper than dedicated in many instances but I haven't compared it but I have heard it be described as such in lowendtalk ig.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by drnick1 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #118
drnick1 wrote: post #14

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Where small VPS hosts can make a difference: require no KYC, accept crypto payments.

Some, but those are usually much more expensive to make up for the legal risk because half of their customers are doing something illegal.

Illegal according to whom? The servers are usually located in places where things such as sharing music, copyrighted or not under U.S. law, is not illegal.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by jlund-molfese »

Havoc wrote: post #120

This article looks like actual gibberish to me? It goes on about DSL and dial-up for some reason? And yes VPS providers are affected by ram shortage. Turns out things that need ram are affected by ram shortages. 5 stars for the insight

I agree, I think the author had some thoughts in their head that they forgot to write down, because it feels like at least a few paragraphs making the connection are missing. Happens to me all the time when I'm writing something too honestly.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #63

Small VPS hosts shouldn’t really exist. They’re either resellers or just half-assing it. How can you trust Gary from GaryHosting not to just steal all your data? How can you trust him to have redundant networks? You just can’t.

On the contrary, it's impossible to trust Amazon not to be evil, because eventually some suit with an MBA is going to go "we can make 0.001% more money this year by having orphans hand-deliver packets across the freeway, frogger style. What are people going to do, leave? Where else will they host their application built around our proprietary FireHouse LightWave Message Comorbidifier?"

On the other hand, I can trust Gary. Gary's personally responsible for GaryHosting, and he obviously takes that role seriously, given he slapped his name on the front. And if Gary fails, I can just switch to a different provider. Gary doesn't have a moat, he sells a commodity. His only advantage in this world is treating his customers well enough that they don't leave.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by PaulHoule »

I dunno if DSL-based ISPs were going to last in the US. I mean, in a big country the range limits of DSL make it hard to compete with cable. I get 20Mbps at my location with fiber-to-the-node, but people a few miles down the road get 10x that speed with Time Warner cable for the same price. In some place like the Netherlands or South Korea it might be different, but not here.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

evgpbfhnr wrote: post #127
nh2 wrote: post #72

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This is not difficult, you just need to run `htop` and perform addition of the RES column (which is in KB unless a unit is shown). Example: USER RES▽ Command root 70436 systemd-journald root 14268 amazon-ssm-agent root 13508 systemd root 12160 systemd --user root 10240 sshd: root@pts/0 root 9088 sshd: root [priv] root 8944 systemd-udevd root 8704 systemd-logind root 8320 nix-daemon --daemon systemd-ti 8192 systemd-ti…

>> You definitely can use Linux with few simple servers with 128 MB RAM. > > This is not difficult, you just need to run `htop` and perform addition of the RES column (which is in KB unless a unit is shown). Example: I'm not quite sure what points this makes... That's supposed to fit on 128MB? And it doesn't include memory consumed by the kernel itself (which is not negligible at this scale), and linux needs spare fo…

Toms root boot (TOMSRTBT) is what you need! Used to fit on a floppy disk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomsrtbt

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by api »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #3

Out of curiosity, what advantages do the small VPS hosts offer compared to the big 3 (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud)? Customer Service? Pricing? Local Data Center?

Pricing mostly, and also simplicity. Big cloud is incredibly expensive when you really look at it. The markup is huge.

It’s weird because in most of this industry scale results in lower prices. Not in cloud.

Re: Is the RAM shortage killing small VPS hosts?

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Post by icedchai »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #15
saidinesh5 wrote: post #3

Out of curiosity, what advantages do the small VPS hosts offer compared to the big 3 (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud)? Customer Service? Pricing? Local Data Center?

I'd use digital ocean over AWS for any SMB or lean startup (so... anyone not attached to an infinite money hose that has to either scale to NEED AWS, or die trying) just because of 1) their UI not being broken glass you have to crawl over and 2) not having eight trillion features that make doing simple things hard and 3) pricing

Same. For small projects, I always recommend Vultr or Digital Ocean. Vultr has some neat network features, like BGP support.

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Post by Gigachad »

direwolf20 wrote: post #107
neelc wrote: post #70

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For providers like us, we have to lease IPv4. We came long after IPv4 was already depleted. IPv4 prices did go down. Despite that, the $15/year 128MB BuyVM plan is long-gone. But for a new provider like us, we'd have to spend more than an established player like BuyVM or RackNerd who bought most of their servers pre-AI-boom.

Have you tried doing ipv6-only plans?

Vultr has one that's $2.5/month v6 only. Probably good if you just need something tiny to run some automation.
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