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Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by falloutx »

adityaathalye wrote: post #27

Don't fall into the "Look ma, no hands" hype. Antirez + LLM + CFO = Billion Dollar Redis company, quite plausibly. /However/ ... As for the delta provided by an LLM to Antirez, outside of Redis (and outside of any problem space he is already intimately familiar with), an Apples to Apples comparison would be he trying this on an equally complex codebase he has no idea about. I'll bet... what Antirez can do with Redis…

if you are very high up the chain like Linus, i think doing vibe coding gives you more feedback than any average dev. So they are having a positive feedback loop.

For most of us vibe coding gives 0 advantage. Our software will just sit there and get no views and producing it faster means nothing. In fact, it just scares us that some exec is gonna look at this and write us for low performance because they saw someone do the same thing we are doing in 2 days instead of 4.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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phtrivier wrote: post #22

How would we measure the effects of AI coding tool taking over manual coding ? Would we see an increase in the number of GitHub projects ? In the number of stars (given the ai is so good) ? In the number of start up ipos (surely if all your engineers are 1000x engineers thanks to Claude code, we'll have plenty of googles and Amazons to invest in) ? In the price of software (if I can just vibe code everything, than a…

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by ben_w »

dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

> Am I wrong to feel this?

There's no such thing as a wrong feeling.

And I say this as one of those with the view that AI training is "learning" rather than "stealing", or at least that this is the goal because AI is the dumbest, the most error prone, and also the most expensive way, to try to make a copy of something.

My fears about setting things loose for public consumption are more about how I will be judged for them than about being ripped off, which is kinda why that book I started writing a decade ago and have not meaningfully touched in the last 12 months is neither published properly nor sent to some online archive.

When it comes to licensing source code, I mostly choose MIT, because I don't care what anyone does with the code once it's out there.

But there's no such thing as a wrong feeling, anyone who dismisses your response is blinding themselves to a common human response that also led to various previous violent uprisings against the owners of expensive tools of automation that destroyed the careers of respectable workers.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by dkdcio »

nikcub wrote: post #31
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

I've used cursor and claude code both daily[0] within a month of their releases - i'm learning something new on how to work with and apply the tools almost every day. I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the best developers[1] are using these tools and some openly advocating for them because it still requires core skills to get the most out of them I can honestly say that building end-to-end products with cl…

I started heavy usage in April 2025 (Codex CLI -> some Claude Code and trying other CLIs + a bit of Cursor -> Warp.dev -> Claude Code) and I’m still learning as well (and constantly trying to get more efficient)

(I had been using GitHub Copilot for 5+ years already, started as an early beta tested, but I don’t really consider that the same)

I like to say it’s like learning a programming language. it takes time, but you start pattern matching and knowing what works. it took me multiple attempts and a good amount of time to learn Rust, learning effective use of these tools is similar

I’ve also learned a ton across domains I otherwise wouldn’t have touched

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by cyber_kinetist »

nebula8804 wrote: post #91
edg5000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took me a few months of working with the agents to get really productive with it. The gains are significant. I write highly detailed specs (equiv multiple A4 pages) in markdown and dicate the agent hierarchy (which agent does what, who reports to who). I've learned a lot of new things this year thanks to AI. It's true that the low levels skills with atrophy. The high level skills will grow though; my learning rate…

The hardware needs to catch up I think. I asked ChatGPT (lol) how much it would cost to build a Deepseek server that runs at a reasonable speed and it quoted ~400k-800k(8-16 H100 + the rest of the server). Guess we are still in the 1970s era of AI computing. We need to hope for a few more step changes or some breakthrough on model size.

The problem is that Moore's law is dead, silicon isn't advancing as fast as what we've envisioned in the past, we're experiencing all sorts of quantum tunneling effects in order to cram as much microstructure as possible into silicon, and R&D for manufacturing these chips are climbing at a rapid rate. There's a limit to how we can fight against Physics, and unless we discover a totally new paradigm to alleviate this issues (ex. optical computing?) we're going to experience diminishing returns at the end of the sigmoid-like tech advancement cycle.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by martin-t »

babarock wrote: post #61
dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

I don't know if you're "wrong", but I do feel differently about this. I've written a ton of open source code and I never cared what people do with it, both "good" or "bad". I only want my code to be "useful". Not just to the people I agree with, but to anyone who needs to use a computer. Of course, I'd rather people use my code to feed the poor than build weapons, but it's just a preference. My conviction is that my…

> Not just to the people I agree with, but to anyone who needs to use a computer.

Why not say "... but to the people I disagree with"?

Would you be OK knowing your code is used to cause more harm than good? Would you still continue working on a hypothetical OSS which had no users, other than, say, a totalitarian government in the middle east which executes homosexuals? Would you be OK with your software being a critical directly involved piece of code for example tracking, de-anonymizing and profiling them?

Where is the line for you?

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by metalman »

the end run around copyright, is TOS that are forced on users, through distribution chanels(platforms),service providors, and actual "patented" hardware, so money will continue to flow up, not sideways. Given that there are a very limited number of things that can actualy be done with computer/phones, and it becomes clear that "AI" can arrange those in any possible configuration, the rest is deciding if it will jive with the users, and noticing when it doesn't, which I believe that AI will be unable to disern from other AI slop, imitating actual useres

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by FergusArgyll »

dist-epoch wrote: post #130
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

It's just a reiteration of the age-old conflict in arts: - making art as you thing it should be, but at the risk of it being non-commercial - getting paid for doing commercial/trendy art choose one

It's not.

It's:

- Making art because you enjoy working with paint

- Making art because you enjoy looking at the painting afterward

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by simonw »

systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

This is a pretty common position: "I don't worry about getting left behind - it will only take a few weeks to catch up again".

I don't think that's true.

I'm really good at getting great results out of coding agents and LLMs. I've also been using LLMs for code on an almost daily basis since ChatGPT's release on November 30th 2022. That's more than three years ago now.

Meanwhile I see a constant flow of complaints from other developers who can't get anything useful out of these machines, or find that the gains they get are minimal at best.

Using this stuff well is a deep topic. These things can be applied in so many different ways, and to so many different projects. The best asset you can develop is an intuition for what works and what doesn't, and getting that intuition requires months if not years of personal experimentation.

I don't think you can just catch up in a few weeks, and I do think that the risk of falling behind isn't being taken seriously enough by much of the developer population.

I'm glad to see people like antirez ringing the alarm bell about this - it's not going to be a popular position but it needs to be said!

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