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Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by smallerfish »

wmwragg wrote: post #60
edg5000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took me a few months of working with the agents to get really productive with it. The gains are significant. I write highly detailed specs (equiv multiple A4 pages) in markdown and dicate the agent hierarchy (which agent does what, who reports to who). I've learned a lot of new things this year thanks to AI. It's true that the low levels skills with atrophy. The high level skills will grow though; my learning rate…

This is something I think a lot of people don't seem to notice, or worry about, the moving of programming as a local task, to one that is controlled by big corporations, essentially turning programming into a subscription model, just like everything else, if you don't pay the subscription you will no longer be able to code i.e. PaaS (Programming as a Service). Obviously at the moment most programmers can still code w…

This is the most valid criticism. Theoretically in several years we may be able to run Opus quality coding models locally. If that doesn't happen then yes, it becomes a pay to play profession - which is not great.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by richardjennings »

SOTA LLMs are now quite good at typing out code that passes tests. If you are able to instruct the creation of sufficient tests and understand the code generated structurally, there is a significant multiplier in productivity. I have found LLMs to be hugely useful in understanding codebases more quickly. Granted it may be necessary to get 2nd opinions and fact check what is stated, but there is a big door now open to anyone to educate themselves.

I think there are some negative consequences to this; perhaps a new form of burn out. With the force multiplier and assisted learning utility comes a substantial increase in opportunity cost.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by jennyholzer4 »

samwillis wrote: post #64
dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

I'm convinced that LLMs results in all software needing to be open source (or at the very least source available). In future everyone will expect to be able to customise an application, if the source is not available they will not chose your application as a base. It's that simple. The future is highly customisable software, and that is best built on open source. How this looks from a business perspective I think we…

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by isoprophlex »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #67
edg5000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took me a few months of working with the agents to get really productive with it. The gains are significant. I write highly detailed specs (equiv multiple A4 pages) in markdown and dicate the agent hierarchy (which agent does what, who reports to who). I've learned a lot of new things this year thanks to AI. It's true that the low levels skills with atrophy. The high level skills will grow though; my learning rate…

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Well, if you're programming without AI you need to understand what you're building too, lest you program yourself into a corner. Taking 3-5 minutes to speech-to-text an overview of why you want to build what exactly, using which general philosophies/tool seems like it should cost you almost zero extra time and brainpower

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by antirez »

vmaurin wrote: post #85

> facts are facts, and AI is going to change programming forever Show me these "facts"

If you can't see this by working with Claude Code for a few weeks, I don't want to go into bigger efforts than writing a blog post to convince you. It's not a mission, mine. I just want to communicate with the part of people that are open enough to challenge their ideas and are willing to touch with their hands what is happening. Also, if you tried and failed, it means that either for your domain AI is not good enough, or you are not able to extract the value. The fact is, this does not matter: a bigger percentage of programmers is using AI with success every day, and as it progresses this will happen more and in more diverse programming fields and tasks. If you disagree and are happy to avoid LLMs, well, it's ok as well.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by falloutx »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #69
phtrivier wrote: post #22

How would we measure the effects of AI coding tool taking over manual coding ? Would we see an increase in the number of GitHub projects ? In the number of stars (given the ai is so good) ? In the number of start up ipos (surely if all your engineers are 1000x engineers thanks to Claude code, we'll have plenty of googles and Amazons to invest in) ? In the price of software (if I can just vibe code everything, than a…

Plot twist: the bottleneck when you have a development force multiplier is __MARKETING__. If you develop at 10X the rate, you still have to grind/growth marketing. Unmarketed products might as well not exist, even if they're fantastic. Github stars? That's 100% marketing. Shit that clears a low quality bar can rack up stars like crazy just by being well marketed. Number of startups? That's 100% marketing. Investors p…

You cant vibe code users or traction. If you make they will come is not a strategy for 2026. In fact, the amount of money needed for marketing will wipe out any savings from not having a Software dev.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by eeixlk »

If you dont call it AI and see it as a natural language search engine result merger it's a bit easier to understand. Like a search engine, it's clunky so you have to know how to use it to get any useful results. Sometimes it appears magical or clever but it's just analyzing billions of text patterns. You can use this search merger to generate text in various forms quickly, and request new generated text. But it doesn't have taste, comprehension, problem solving, vision, or wisdom. However it can steal your data and your work and include it in it's search engine.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by charcircuit »

samwillis wrote: post #64
dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

I'm convinced that LLMs results in all software needing to be open source (or at the very least source available). In future everyone will expect to be able to customise an application, if the source is not available they will not chose your application as a base. It's that simple. The future is highly customisable software, and that is best built on open source. How this looks from a business perspective I think we…

Why do you think customization can only viably done via changing the code of the application itself.

I think there is room for closed source platforms that are built on top of using LLMs via some sort of API that it exposes. For example, iOS can be closed source and LLMs can develop apps for it to expand the capabilities of one's phone.

Allowing total customization by a business can allow them to mess up the app itself or make other mistakes. I don't think it's the best interface for allowing others to extend the app.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by dist-epoch »

embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

It's just a reiteration of the age-old conflict in arts:

- making art as you thing it should be, but at the risk of it being non-commercial

- getting paid for doing commercial/trendy art

choose one

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