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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by binarray2000 »

llboston wrote: post #148
juliusceasar wrote: post #3

Better late than never. China has so many anti-Foreigner laws for doing business in China. West has made China rich and powerful in exchange for cheap labour.

Not just for business. All foreigners in China must register their stay with the local police. Large hotels handle the registration automatically through their electronic reporting systems. However, if you’re staying at a friend’s home or another private residence, you need to go to the local police station and register in person.

It is exactly the same in every EU country. Foreigners get registered or must register in person.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by burnt-resistor »

Wouldn't it be wiser, fairer, and less xenophobic/nationalistic appearing to simply require particular audit/compliance/certification requirements and then disallow nonconforming equipment/systems?

Because if something can't be sold under brand X specifically, then brand Y will be invented to circumvent it, hence it's a superficial and ineffective process to forbid a brand by name.

Rigorous audit and compliance processes should assure products are tested, supported, and hopefully minimize the risks of hostile anti-functionality.

Perhaps some key tech bits are so fundamental that they should be grown domestically without necessarily a huge profit motive to offer reliable components for strategic infrastructure.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

maxdo wrote: post #144
rzerowan wrote: post #85

Whose sovereignity though? And to replace it with what? As almost all 6G kit builds on 5G kit which is at most 40% Huawei FRAND patented.So whatever the path HW gets paid. As an aside the whole OpenRAN debacle to replcae 5G kit seems to have peterd out after the initial hype. This move also ignores economies of scale - if the rest of the planet is on HW kit lowerig cost even with razor thin margins.The opps Nokia/Eri…

Good attempt comrade. China + Russia + Iran fueling the war with Europe. They openly declare a war on way of living of western world . Sure , build critical infrastructure independently is insane.

The Russia, China, and Iran axis doesn’t exist. That’s American propaganda linking together three countries it dislikes.

Iran has loose relations with both which are not dissimilar to the one it has with the EU. Its conflict is also fairly limited to Israel and the Middle East.

Meanwhile, Russia and China have an ambivalent relationship where they are key economic partners with complementary economies but have no official military alliance and are somewhat wary of each other as Russia fears a potential Chinese invasion.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by hmm37 »

zweifuss wrote: post #31
Incipient wrote: post #26

I don't get why Huawei gets specific hate? Shouldn't this equally apply to all Chinese vendors? I wouldn't expect any are less susceptible to government control?

ZTE is also under scrutiny. The reason it's only Huawei and ZTE is that other Chinese providers are so insignificant that the telecoms will likely be able to replace the infrastructure themselves with spares or consolidation. However, in an emergency, the government would have to foot the bill for replacing Huawei/ZTE systems quickly, as the telecoms couldn't finance this and lack of capacity would mean very high pri…

Huawei at least is giving their source code to be scrutinized. What can be said of other vendors?

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by qwertox »

Incipient wrote: post #26

I don't get why Huawei gets specific hate? Shouldn't this equally apply to all Chinese vendors? I wouldn't expect any are less susceptible to government control?

Nothing here is about hate.

The concern comes from the legal environment these companies operate in. Any vendor that can be compelled by its government to cooperate in ways we can’t verify becomes a risk in critical infrastructure.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by 7bit »

LtdJorge wrote: post #130
rzerowan wrote: post #85

Whose sovereignity though? And to replace it with what? As almost all 6G kit builds on 5G kit which is at most 40% Huawei FRAND patented.So whatever the path HW gets paid. As an aside the whole OpenRAN debacle to replcae 5G kit seems to have peterd out after the initial hype. This move also ignores economies of scale - if the rest of the planet is on HW kit lowerig cost even with razor thin margins.The opps Nokia/Eri…

We could start treating Chinese patents with the same respect they treated the rest of the world’s, maybe.

We could. But then we throw away the basis on how we treat European, Australian, Japanese, American, etc. patents.

You either respect patents or you don't. There is no middle ground.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by skinnymuch »

echelon wrote: post #109
juliusceasar wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now EU is making clear rules against China. EU should apply exactly the same laws against Chinese like Chinese do against foreigners. China shouldn't complain, especially don't bitch about racism.

> especially don't bitch about racism. The "most racist" places are typically the most diverse and most multicultural. They have more exposed tissue than places where minorities make up single digit percentage points, so you see injustices more often in these places. And it follows that it gets reported on at volume. By that same coin, these places also have more friendly interactions by volume than places without di…

SF region is gonna be racist among other things itself. That is true of all of America but there’s levels to this and American south is more racist. Don’t have to grow up in a diverse place to see/know that.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by skinnymuch »

like_any_other wrote: post #103
croes wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean old we-don’t-care-bout-human-and-environmental-rights trick? Let’s face it, nobody would care if China just would be a subordinate receiver of orders. As soon they became a competitor there was a problem

> As soon they became a competitor there was a problem Was there? It seems to me trade and offshoring continued even after they became a competitor. And then continued after they strong-armed Western corporations to invest in China [1], destroyed Western corporations through espionage [2,3], or through subsidy-enabled dumping prices and preferential treatment [4,4.1], after they extracted groveling apologies from Wes…

Western state department and corporations aren’t the same thing. China is New Democracy where the classes are all represented with the state at the top. That’s not how Old Democracy (liberal democracy) works where the hierarchy between state and corporations is more mixed with corporations in more power.

You’re equating things that corporations are doing as if that’s in the best interest of the American state.

China is being seen the way it is by white people and white societies because they see a competitor.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by sunaookami »

coliveira wrote: post #41
tchalla wrote: post #36

> “We’ll discuss with industry what we can do, not only to make ourselves independent from China, but also for example independent from the USA, independent from the big tech companies,” Merz said. Good to know it's not just China. > Merz ruled out fully decoupling from China, which is Germany’s second-biggest trading partner. “We can’t do that,” he said. “China can’t do that, but we can do it even less.” And even be…

> Good to know it's not just China. If you believe this I have a bridge to sell you. They're using this to hide the real reason for the move, which is to do Washington's bid, just like a good colony does.

Yeah, it's just lip service until a democrat is president again. Same happened last time, it's like we time-travelled back to 2016, every argument is exactly the same in politics and media.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by jojomodding »

binarray2000 wrote: post #151
llboston wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just for business. All foreigners in China must register their stay with the local police. Large hotels handle the registration automatically through their electronic reporting systems. However, if you’re staying at a friend’s home or another private residence, you need to go to the local police station and register in person.

It is exactly the same in every EU country. Foreigners get registered or must register in person.

Wrong. People that live here (in the EU) need to register. I can stay with friends abroad for some time without having to tell the government, as long as I don't take up residency.
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