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Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by d0ublespeak »

scorpioxy wrote: post #114
gobins wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow melbourne is getting that bad! Does your org have a name?

Oh yes. Quite bad and I don't know if things are getting slightly better than "bad" or the media is tired of reporting about it. Up until a year or so ago, an appointment at a GP would take weeks of waiting. Specialist appointments were 1+ years waiting time. This is somewhat better now with the establishment of critical-care clinics operating after hours. This is from personal experience. The emergency rooms often h…

This isn’t an inherent flaw of public health care. A lot of the health care problems in this country (Australia) stem from a continued disinvestment in the public system after a decade (prior to the current government) of conservative mismanagement. Most state funding here comes from the federal governments standard sales tax. They intentionally gimped our public system to fund a private system that isn’t financially viable. Reversing that is going to take time. The problem exists it’s just important to attribute it to the correct sources. Medicare (our public insurer) is an incredible privilege that we should protect and hold our leaders accountable for managing.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by bonsai_spool »

photon_lines wrote: post #118
bonsai_spool wrote: post #104

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> if you want to have a care-taker who doesn't mind lying or is a psychopath, you do you but it's a no go for me. We've gone from accused of research fraud to psychopath. My original point is that I don't see how the effort to produce new knowledge has any bearing on the appropriate management of diabetes/thyroid hormone.

So if your endocrinologist was found to have ran a concentration camp in the past, it would have no effect on your decision on whether you wanted to use them as your doctor? Running a concentration camp also has no bearing on a doctor's performance.

> So if your endocrinologist was found to have ran a concentration camp in the past, it would have no effect on your decision on whether you wanted to use them as your doctor? Running a concentration camp also has no bearing on a doctor's performance.

The story presented here is that OP disliked their mother's physician. There was no discussion of malpractice. Then, OP seems to have searched for information about the physician.

'Research misconduct' and murdering your fellow man are... not the same thing.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by moomoo11 »

pugio wrote: post #48

I can speak to this. I recently joined a community first responder association (I've always wanted to know what to do in case of a medical emergency) and was shocked to hear the members' horror stories of how long it can take an ambulance to arrive. Like the author, I grew up with the narrative "in trouble, call the ambulance, they'll scream through the streets to get to you in moments". That might still be true wher…

First of all, my condolences to the author.

I resonate with your thoughts about USA response times. We lived in a middle class suburb with mostly immigrants. When I was 10 my mom slipped in the bathtub and was knocked out. I dialed 911 crying and within 2 minutes a cop had arrived and only a few minutes later the fire truck first response had arrived. They helped my mom out and she was fine afterwards.

It was so crazy for 10 yo me. I thought my mom was gone.

I am so sorry for what the author and his family had to endure.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by bonsai_spool »

pertymcpert wrote: post #148
bonsai_spool wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you want to have a care-taker who doesn't mind lying or is a psychopath, you do you but it's a no go for me. We've gone from accused of research fraud to psychopath. My original point is that I don't see how the effort to produce new knowledge has any bearing on the appropriate management of diabetes/thyroid hormone.

You don’t see how being a dishonest person committing research fraud should disqualify you from treating patients?

> You don’t see how being a dishonest person committing research fraud should disqualify you from treating patients?

Correct. And, a panel of this person's peers found that, in fact, the alleged research fraud should not disqualify the person from treating patients.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by bsder »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #90
vkou wrote: post #70

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The 2020, in hindsight was largely correct. COVID was a highly infectious disease, it put a lot of people in the hospital, and a lot of people in the morgue. Social distancing and wearing masks slowed its spread, until an effective, safe vaccine was developed. Horse paste was not a cure for it, and after further investigation it turns out that it only had a positive effect on patients who, in addition to having COVID…

Every time I give this opinion I’m labeled as an a to science/anti vaxxer. Hopefully this context will help: I have virus induced asthma where even a simple cold can have me gasping for breath. I took every precaution imaginable before the vaccines were available, stayed home, got groceries delivered, masked up when I did have to go somewhere, asked my wife to retire from working in the school system as a special nee…

> But let’s not pretend that many of the precautions and policies weren’t performative. Mask mandates were always dumb. Most people didn’t wear effective masks and many didn’t cover their noses.

We have specific evidence that not masking and not distancing caused superspreader events. Before there were too many cases, contact tracing backwards showed that specific parties, weddings, etc. were responsible for accelerating the early spread above baseline.

Thus, the burden of proof is on the "anti-mask, anti-distancing" people to prove that they aren't worse than the alternative--doubly so given the post hoc analyses available due to Norway and Sweden.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by laszlojamf »

weddpros wrote: post #64
selcuka wrote: post #56

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> There's a need for an app to let patients track the ambulance I don't want to blame anyone, but I'm pretty sure that kind of visibility is not desired.

Not desired by whom? I think transparency is desired by citizens/customers. Do you think there are (good) reasons why obscurity is preferred?

FWIW: In Sweden, there's been a bunch of cases of emergency personnel being attacked when responding to incidents

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by ryanjshaw »

vkou wrote: post #70
userbinator wrote: post #29

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Perhaps 2020 hindsight, even.

The 2020, in hindsight was largely correct. COVID was a highly infectious disease, it put a lot of people in the hospital, and a lot of people in the morgue. Social distancing and wearing masks slowed its spread, until an effective, safe vaccine was developed. Horse paste was not a cure for it, and after further investigation it turns out that it only had a positive effect on patients who, in addition to having COVID…

> few details that were gotten wrong during the fog of war

It’s fine to have your opinion but don’t dismiss others’ experiences and values.

The extreme lockdowns caused irreparable, long-term harm to many people. You’re glossing over this as if it’s a minor error that anybody could’ve made, which is not correct.

It is essentially a trolley problem. You value “extreme intervention that is statistically better overall but unnecessarily devastating to some”, whereas many other people are happy to let nature run its course to some extent than have their government turn against them “for the needs of the many”.

That is a moral discussion, not a scientific one, and people are rightfully angry when it’s misrepresented as purely a scientific one.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by 0_____0 »

scorpioxy wrote: post #114
gobins wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow melbourne is getting that bad! Does your org have a name?

Oh yes. Quite bad and I don't know if things are getting slightly better than "bad" or the media is tired of reporting about it. Up until a year or so ago, an appointment at a GP would take weeks of waiting. Specialist appointments were 1+ years waiting time. This is somewhat better now with the establishment of critical-care clinics operating after hours. This is from personal experience. The emergency rooms often h…

I pay ~500 US/mo for health insurance. Just for me, no dependents. Not an exotic low-deductible health insurance plan. 2% on top of income tax sounds like a dream.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by pfannkuchen »

pugio wrote: post #48

I can speak to this. I recently joined a community first responder association (I've always wanted to know what to do in case of a medical emergency) and was shocked to hear the members' horror stories of how long it can take an ambulance to arrive. Like the author, I grew up with the narrative "in trouble, call the ambulance, they'll scream through the streets to get to you in moments". That might still be true wher…

On the ambulance delay time. Have people perchance started calling ambulances for less and less serious matters over time? Thus increasing the calls per capita. I could kind of see that given what I’ve heard about 911, but then again maybe not. Also I feel like 50 years ago people would have been more worried about having some enforcement action taken against them for wasting the 911 line’s time on something inappropriate? Not sure if that enforcement ever actually happened, though.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by bonsai_spool »

prmph wrote: post #128
bonsai_spool wrote: post #101

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> Lol the idea that a scamster will only pull one scam in their life is such a gullible position hahaha. The doctor gets paid irrespective of their diagnosis—and I am yet to hear of a conspiracy where the doctor makes more money when their patients die.

But the doctor likely makes the same money for less effort that contributes to the patient dying, because it's hard to prove the link.

> But the doctor likely makes the same money for less effort that contributes to the patient dying, because it's hard to prove the link.

This makes no sense with how endocrinology works. And OP did not give any evidence of malpractice, so we have no reason to believe that less effort or patient risk regarding the practice of medicine was involved.

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