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Chat Control Must Be Stopped
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#152Would chat control also force open source software to put in backdoors? Like if users run their own little servers somewhere, and those load websites, or they sideload apps to the app store (thanks to EU hehe).
I'd personally like to have a FOSS, privacy-aware CSAM (or even generic gore/porn) detector I could plug into Matrix/Lemmy/Mastodon servers. something self-hostable, so I could run those services without worrying about pedos and trolls ruining my platform.
I'm not sure if something like it exists. I'm not sure if it could exist. PhotoDNA (the old CSAM detector) ended up being somewhat reversible, so that you could actually turn signatures back into obscene material. because of this, the signature databases were shared under strict NDA, only to large players.
probably the most realistic solution is a generic porn classifier convnet. if it blocks adult porn, it should block CSAM too (hopefully?)
they are not reliant on image hashes, and reversibility concerns apply less because the dataset used to train it was presumably legal (if distasteful.)
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#153> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…
>I wonder why there has been such silence on this Some combination of cowardice, conflict of interest, and fear of ICE.
Which ICE are you referring to? This is an EU law.
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#154As both an EU citizen and a computer programmer, I applaud this article, and I generally agree with its sentiment. But let's be realistic. Chat control is going to happen sooner or later. This is a Hacker News forum. The audience here is very knowledgeable about computer science and fully aware of how technologically impractical the idea of fighting CSAM in this way is. But the general public is somewhere else entire…
> Chat control is going to happen sooner or later.
Even if that is true—which you don’t know, because you cannot predict the future—later is definitely better than sooner. Later is worth fighting for.
Your defeatist attitude is exactly what these bad actors want, you’re playing right into their hands. Thankfully not everyone thinks like you, or Chat Control would have passed first time and no positive change would have been enacted ever about anything.
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#155The people of europe need to stop pretending that whatever controls europe is interested in democoracy, free speech, justice or freedom.
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#156Don't worry people. If you are not a European let me tell you how it goes. The 'Unofficial' boss of European Union is Germany. If Germany will vote against it, more countries will back off and it won't pass. If Germany wants ChatControl, it's over. It will pass and all other undecided countries will support it. Thankfully, Germany (so far) is against it.
> ... The 'Unofficial' boss of European Union is Germany. ...
I disagree with this sentence. The unofficial bosses are both Germany and France. Which is also the reason why the people in the richer EU countries will suffer economically when the upcoming bailout for France /will/ happen.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Totally. This is exactly the problem with things like Chat Control in the EU and KOSA in the US. They will just introduce the same bill over and over and over again until they get the desired result. What we need is for legislatures to pass "NO Chat Control" and "NO KOSA" bills that specifically block this behavior, but unsurprisingly governments don't seem to be too keen about limiting their own rights, only those o…
You mean enshrine a right to messaging privacy in a constitution? That's going to be difficult.
A lot of these laws are now attempting to apply extra-territorially, e.g. to servers and companies in the US just because people in the UK are connected to the same internet, with punishments meted out if any part of that company does any business in the UK even if it's unrelated.
It might be interesting to go the other way: Get it put into the constitution of a major country that these kind of backdoors are banned world-wide and you can't do business in that country if any part of your enterprise implements them anywhere else.
To begin with this would make it harder to pass laws like this in other places -- domestic companies with international operations would put up stronger opposition because it would compromise their ability to do business elsewhere, and legislators might actually be concerned about that. And then on top of that it would force the companies to choose which subset of the world they want to operate in, allowing people in oppressive countries to pick up uncompromised devices from the places where compromised devices are banned.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean enshrine a right to messaging privacy in a constitution? That's going to be difficult.
The US constitution already has a provision against unreasonable search properly enshrined, and well tested in courts. Things like KOSA can be rejected as clearly violating it. The EU does not seem to have such simple and ironclad norm.
Ah, that constitution must explain why we never see people being abducted in broad daylight by goon squads in the US, right? Because anything that clearly violates the constitution would obviously never happen there. Because you're the best country. The greatest.
For reference, the EU does have an equivalent norm: https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/7-respect-privat...
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number
> Any image file or an executable program can be regarded as simply a very large binary number. This had never occurred to me before but is totally obvious in hindsight. An interesting corollary is that, given an infinite natural number space, all programs that have ever and will ever exist can be found as a single point on this natural number plane. The larger the number, the more complex the program. What else is e…
Sounds like The Library of Babel:
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would this have been UK/Germany back in the day?
Probably better for you guys that UK is out now, our government would have been salivating at the thought of spying on every citizen without repercussions
It's one of the reasons they wanted out. Theresa May was very explicit that she considered the European Court of Human Rights an obstacle.