My biggest gripe with the modern cars (looking at you EV) is they’re now made to be like a mobile phone with wheels
Yes, including fingerprint authentication.
https://ownersmanual.hyundai.com/docview/webhelp/Hyundai/46a...
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I remember reading that (some?) phones in airplane mode can still be pinged by the network to request their location and the call is answered directly by the blackbox modem rather than by Android/iOS bypassing most privacy features. Airplane mode also usually keeps Bluetooth and WiFi enabled so that's one thing to look for.
Airplane mode usually turns off the power to that chip.
I found this for GrapheneOS / Pixel devices which seems to support this claim: https://grapheneos.org/faq
> Activating airplane mode will fully disable the cellular radio transmit and receive capabilities
I am very interested if you have more information on this or specification on whether airplane mode has to disable power to the chip.
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#153I would like to see some legal and regulatory steps. When we purchased our Ioniq, there was no agreement for data sharing, etc. - we have basically a cash register receipt, nothing more. Whenever there is a major update, an insanely long T&A appears on the screen. No one is going to read it. The only options are "accept" or clicking it away. If you click it away, it comes back the next day. It cannot possibly be lega…
This is the kinda of thing that was preventing me from seriously considering Tesla. I accept that there is a lot more tech involved so some updates are necessary, but turning cars into cells on wheels made everyone way too eager to not ship finished product.
>> but turning cars into cells on wheels made everyone way too eager to not ship finished product.
I knew a former manager of OTA (over the air updates) at one manufacturer. I said that needed to be used for emergency updates only and not so people could be late with features or QA. She totally agreed and said it was becoming a battle with all the software teams thinking it meant they could be late and it'd be OK. They think it makes the deadline fuzzy or non-existant.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone is tailgating me I just slow down gradually until they get mad and pass
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If you’re in the right lane, great. If the natural flow of traffic is 15 miles over the limit, any car in the far left lane driving significantly slower than other vehicles invites needless risk. Absolute, inflexible rules frequently lead to disaster. Cars that have to pass on the right creates many disasters.
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#155I would like to see some legal and regulatory steps. When we purchased our Ioniq, there was no agreement for data sharing, etc. - we have basically a cash register receipt, nothing more. Whenever there is a major update, an insanely long T&A appears on the screen. No one is going to read it. The only options are "accept" or clicking it away. If you click it away, it comes back the next day. It cannot possibly be lega…
I've been told T&A after you bought a product is actually not legal in the EU. The popups still appear, and everyone clicks thorugh. It can't be legal. Whatever they want me to agree with, they have to force me at checkout time. Everything beyond that is plain ransomeware.
It kind of depends; there's a difference between Europe and the EU, for one. But there are also things you can hide away in the T&C and privacy statements, while other stuff (usually involving PII) needs explicit consent and opt-outs.
The EU mandates the presence of an emergency cellular radio on board of new vehicles in case of crashes. It took some convincing, but that radio is now supposed to be off by default.
You can demand a refund for Windows keys that came along with your computer if you disagree with the ToS (which has been tested by a French court IIRC), and that ability is actually included in the Windows EULA these days, but getting that kind of thing enforced will be draining. Repeated calls and repeated emails at the very least, filing complaints and threatening legal action if the vendor doesn't want to comply.
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#156> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly. This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.
It's mandatory for cars to be manufactured with it, but obviously not for all cars to have it since the are many older cars on the road without it.
It maybe mandatory for it to be deemed roadworthy for a newer vehicle, but not required on an older vehicle.
e.g.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-privat...
> You must inspect all reversing lamps fitted to vehicles first used from 1 September 2009 other than quadricycles and three-wheeled vehicles.
Older vehicles don't require a reverse light. My P-reg vehicle (1996?) didn't have a working reverse lamp, but passed the MOT. I have since fixed it.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the kinda of thing that was preventing me from seriously considering Tesla. I accept that there is a lot more tech involved so some updates are necessary, but turning cars into cells on wheels made everyone way too eager to not ship finished product.
>> but turning cars into cells on wheels made everyone way too eager to not ship finished product. I knew a former manager of OTA (over the air updates) at one manufacturer. I said that needed to be used for emergency updates only and not so people could be late with features or QA. She totally agreed and said it was becoming a battle with all the software teams thinking it meant they could be late and it'd be OK. Th…
I looked at a company that did this stuff with a box that could remotely power up/down and unlock / lock a vehicle. They never even thought to check whether the vehicle was in motion or not, that's how confident they were that they'd never ever make a mistake.
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#158I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.
If my car's engine dies (which at some point it probably will do, after all, these things don't live forever) I'll just rebuild it again. It's got 200K on it and a relatively fresh engine (40K) so I think I'm good for a long time to come but buying a modern vehicle isn't even on the menu for me. If I really want malware I'll disable my adblocker, I really don't need it in my car.
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#159I never thought that battling the corpos was going to look so mundane.
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