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Re: Fight Chat Control

#151

In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter our behavior. In the EU, there are these initiatives to surveil us in the name of safety. Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another?

The Catholic Church is not for surveillance, afaik.

Join Vatican City!

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Genuinely curious where you would suggest going. The US isn't better and has been doing this shit since the patriot act.

Thailand, Japan, Philippines, El Salvador, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Kazakhstan. There are a lot of options. But absolutely leave the EU, UK or USA and let them all suffer in their own self-induced dystopian nightmare.

Moving to most of those countries would instantly at least 5x (Colombia would be 30x!) my chance of getting murdered (and I assume increase my risk of being the victim of other violent crimes similarly). Not to mention that suggesting El Salvador — a country that has imprisoned 1.7 % of its population, many without being convicted in a court of law — is a truly laughable suggestion.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#153

In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter our behavior. In the EU, there are these initiatives to surveil us in the name of safety. Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another?

I'm unaware of Sealand[0] engaging in surveillance against its citizen. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

With only one citizen, it would seem that the government of Sealand must necessarily be watching everything he does at all waking hours.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#154

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Can't make this shit up. The Danish government (currently holding the rotating chair) also raised the pension age for everyone. Other than themselves. But also, how does this get implemented? What's stopping me from using, say, Signal, which being OSS would likely have a single line I could comment out and compile for myself? How would I get busted for that? Or I could get clever and have AI generate some random chat…

This is only the first step in the process. First they will force all messaging/email providers to implement the scanning. Those who refuse or decide to leave the EU as Signal said they would do, would end up being unlisted from Google Play or the Apple (EU) app store. Then the second phase is coming by 2030. Read about the ProtectEU (what a fucking ridiculous name) proposal which will mandate the scanning on device…

> Read about the ProtectEU (what a fucking ridiculous name) proposal which will mandate the scanning on device and basically record everything you do on your device.

Where can we read about that? The official documents are quite vague and I don't see anything as specific as mandatory device scanning.

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post #96

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While we're talking about corrupt politicians, why is this all happening all at once? America, Great Britain, and the EU are all creating tracking, monitoring, and censorship regulations. All at the same time. We're turning the internet into the 1984 inevitability it was predicted to become. We need a Bill of Rights against this. But the public is too lay to push for this. Bolstering or eroding privacy rights will ne…

For over a decade now there’s been a huge global shift toward authoritarianism, and to some extent it’s grassroots. My speculation is that this is a time of unprecedented change and that scares people. We also have aging populations due to lower birth rates and older people tend (on average) toward nostalgic reactionary politics.

Yes.

It's a tremendous opportunity, presently.

Power is never before so easily gotten.

Fight: Collaborate, Empathize, Reject division.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#156
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we're talking about corrupt politicians, why is this all happening all at once? America, Great Britain, and the EU are all creating tracking, monitoring, and censorship regulations. All at the same time. We're turning the internet into the 1984 inevitability it was predicted to become. We need a Bill of Rights against this. But the public is too lay to push for this. Bolstering or eroding privacy rights will ne…

I would not be surprised if it's the US pressuring everyone else. Thiel is probably salivating to get a deal for Palantir to implement it. That said, the UK doesn't need much convincing in this regard I suppose, they've always had their fair share of extreme laws along these lines and Leyen has personally dreamt of this for ages.

Palantir CEO interview about the future was straight up "YOU ALL are MEAT. Only I matter."

F that noise.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#157
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I was very pissed at this, and when I read this part I couldn't continue, it boiled my blood. > *EU politicians exempt themselves from this surveillance under "professional secrecy" rules. They get privacy. You and your family do not. Demand fairness.

Can't make this shit up. The Danish government (currently holding the rotating chair) also raised the pension age for everyone. Other than themselves. But also, how does this get implemented? What's stopping me from using, say, Signal, which being OSS would likely have a single line I could comment out and compile for myself? How would I get busted for that? Or I could get clever and have AI generate some random chat…

So stop them.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#158
Sure. Fight it. And also Remember this moment next time you're calling people conspiracy theorists because your party politician or mainstream news says so.

Next time think twice before calling people "freedumb" lovers and otherwise label them as Nazis, deniers, -ism, terrorism apologist, foreign government agents and more which is the typical attack when people fight for civil rights and freedoms.

It's always placing them on a false spectrum and assuming the worst.

Now you get to enjoy your authoritarian utopia. All for the greater good.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#159
post #138

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Thailand, Japan, Philippines, El Salvador, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Kazakhstan. There are a lot of options. But absolutely leave the EU, UK or USA and let them all suffer in their own self-induced dystopian nightmare.

Moving to most of those countries would instantly at least 5x (Colombia would be 30x!) my chance of getting murdered (and I assume increase my risk of being the victim of other violent crimes similarly). Not to mention that suggesting El Salvador — a country that has imprisoned 1.7 % of its population, many without being convicted in a court of law — is a truly laughable suggestion.

Being murdered is at least honest aggression. Being surveilled like that is insidious and sneaky and worse in many aspects. El Salvador super safe now, just don't wear tattoos.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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When the people orchestrating something like this can hide behind a veil of anonymity as well as bestow exemptions from monitoring upon the political class, it looks deeply wrong and conspiracy worthy. :D indeed.

The exemptions for politicians is straight out of 1984.

They weren’t exempt in 1984.
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