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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by umbra07 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #144
umbra07 wrote: post #136

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I think the government shouldn't be legislating that companies must use a specific USB connector. Realistically the legislation was only targeting Apple. If consumers want USB-C, then they can vote with their wallets and buy an Android, which is a reasonable alternative.

We've had multiple USB standards for decades with no end in sight. Apple was targeted because they have the most high-profile proprietary connector and they were generally using it to screw consumers. Good riddance.

Like I said, if consumers don't want it, then they can buy Android phones instead.

> they were generally using it to screw consumers

You understand that there were lots of people happy with Lightning? USB-C is a regression in many ways.

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Post by throwaway0123_5 »

1propionyl wrote: post #129
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #94

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Are we sure more time butt in office equates to more productivity?

Yes, specifically when it comes to open-ended research or development, collocation is non-negotiable. There are greater than linear benefits in creativity of approach, agility in adapting to new intermediate discoveries, etc that you get by putting a number of talented people who get along in the same space who form a community of practice. Remote work and flattening communication down to what digital media (Slack, Z…

I think they were talking about total time spent working rather than remote vs. in-person. I've seen more than a few studies over the years showing that going from 40 to 35 or 30 hours/wk has minimal or positive impacts on productivity. Idk if that would apply to all work environments though, and I don't recall any of the studies being about research productivity specifically.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by [deleted] »

pu_pe wrote: post #11

Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by devmor »

arnaudsm wrote: post #18

I wished the charts included Qwen3, the current SOTA in reasoning. Qwen3-4B almost beats Magistral-22B on the 4 available benchmarks, and Qwen3-30B-A3B is miles ahead.

I would agree, Qwen3 is definitely the most impressive "reasoning" model I've evaluated so far.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by bobxmax »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #89
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #75

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Ok, just a quick question… why does Europe not have the money actual/people?

Part of the answer is debt. The U.S. has a debt of 35Tn. The entire EU around 16Tn. If even 10% of the debt difference was invested in tech that would have meant about $2tn more in investment in EU tech.

Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate.

It's fascinating watching people circle back to this answer.

Regulation and taxation reduces incentives. Lower incentives, means lower risk-taking.

The fact this is still a lesson that needs to be debated is absurd.

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Post by flmontpetit »

umbra07 wrote: post #136
micromacrofoot wrote: post #60

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I think usb-c and third party app stores are pretty cool

I think the government shouldn't be legislating that companies must use a specific USB connector. Realistically the legislation was only targeting Apple. If consumers want USB-C, then they can vote with their wallets and buy an Android, which is a reasonable alternative.

It's hard to see the benefit in letting every hardware manufacturer attempt to carve out their own little artificial interconnect monopoly and flood the market with redundant, wasteful solutions.

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Post by retinaros »

derektank wrote: post #88
pdabbadabba wrote: post #84

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For the purposes of GP's comment, I think the nationalities of the people actually running the company and doing the work are more relevant than who has invested.

And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

Most of french people in engineering jobs in France are working late even tho overtime is never paid.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by bobxmax »

baq wrote: post #76
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #75

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Ok, just a quick question… why does Europe not have the money actual/people?

edit: the parent has since edited out the flamebait. Maybe, or maybe when silicon valley was busy growing exponentially Europe was still picking itself up from the mess of ww2. Trying to blame a single reason is futile, naive and childish.

And what's the excuse for Euro's GDP being equal to the US in 2007, and now being over $10T less?

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Post by retinaros »

gwervc wrote: post #132
whiplash451 wrote: post #127

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> they probably work more hours in America than France Not sure that's even true. Mistral is known to be a really hard-working place

I'm pretty sure there is way less regulations in the US in respect to France where going over the legal 35h/week requires additional capital and legal paperwork.

No one works 35hours in software jobs in france except maybe government. Overtime is also not compensated (they give some days off that is it.)

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Post by bobxmax »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #20
atemerev wrote: post #15

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"EU is leading in regulation", they say. I don't know what they are thinking.

probably some silly thing like "people should have more rights and protections"

Rights and protections that have benefited heavily from an economy built on the alliance with the US.

If it weren't for American help and trade post-WW2, Europe would be a Belarusian backwater and is fast heading back in that direction.

Countries like Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. show the future of Europe as it slowly stagnates and becomes a museum that can't feed it's people.

Even Germany that was once excelling is now collapsing economically.

The only bright spot on the continent right now is Poland who are, shocker, much less regulatorily strict and have lower corporate taxes.

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