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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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It's kind of a "life arc" that gets fulfilled when you've done it all and have all the money in the world, and reach a certain age. It's a very traditional arc for a humane human being.

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lmao what?

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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That API was already reasonable before he took over Twitter. It was prohibitively priced afterward. You are making arguments out of things where there is objective proof otherwise. Anyways, I think he cut aid programs and fired a bunch of people too. That's a whole nother' matter though (I'll drop the whole holistic argument). For example the firehose/streaming API more or less require 5 grand a month, so off limits…

He’s not a developer and never really has been so why would he?

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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It's that like half of Xs business model, selling data to other companies? Right now no one is as data hungry as AI companies, so it seems strange to cut them off. I can understand wanting to charge a premium for the access, if it's for AI, but straight up saying no seems like a strange business move.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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> Elon is not a generous guy Why would he be?

> Elon is not a generous guy Why would he be? Why shouldn't he be? He has 10x more of everything in the world than he could ever possibly use in his lifetime. Greed is not a virtue.

My uncle has 10x more of everything in the world than he could ever possibly use in his lifetime. A lake house, a main house, a few boats and cars.

Elon is somewhere around 10,000x.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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It's kind of a "life arc" that gets fulfilled when you've done it all and have all the money in the world, and reach a certain age. It's a very traditional arc for a humane human being.

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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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> Elon is not a generous guy Why would he be?

> Elon is not a generous guy Why would he be? Why shouldn't he be? He has 10x more of everything in the world than he could ever possibly use in his lifetime. Greed is not a virtue.

When twitter became x they switched to basically the same limits Instagram has, I don't think this is a particular failing of Elons, even though he might have many.

Restricting content from AI is the big messy debate we're going to see over and over for the next who knows how many years.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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I think the rules should be stricter. I’d prefer an explicit opt in from the content author being required for anyone to perform any model training with any given data. Alternatively, require all weights, prompts and chat logs to have the same visibility as the original datasets. None of this is going to happen and current decisions about uncopyrightable ai[1] are already good; but still, it feels like there is room…

Well, you explicitly opt-in to Twitter ToS whenever you post anything there.

This is not opt-in how I understand it. When there is no alternative, or the alternative is not using a service, I'd call it a hard requirement instead.

I like how opt-in is handled by GDPR; e.g.: "Consent must be a specific, freely given, plainly worded, and unambiguous affirmation given by the data subject (...) A data controller may not refuse service to users who decline consent to processing that is not strictly necessary in order to use the service.", source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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It's that like half of Xs business model, selling data to other companies? Right now no one is as data hungry as AI companies, so it seems strange to cut them off. I can understand wanting to charge a premium for the access, if it's for AI, but straight up saying no seems like a strange business move.

How much do you think Musk values X being a viable independent business vs using it accelerate X AI? I would expect Musk values the first as approximately 0 value, and the second as being 100% of the value. So it makes total sense to exploit the fact that X and X AI are the same company.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Right, stealing training data from others is OK, having it stolen from you is not. What else is new?

Almost certainly the easter egg found in the Trump "Big Beautiful Bill" which prevents states from enacting AI regulations also came from Musk. That way he can continue to steal from others and lock competitors out whilst being comfortable knowing that no laws will be enacted to prevent it.

We really need a one bill one topic amendment. We are going to get to where there is one bill a year that nobody reads and everything else by executive order, at which point congress is just for show.
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