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Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by JoshTriplett »

piva00 wrote: post #105
JoshTriplett wrote: post #68

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I look forward to seeing public transportation that begins a few feet from my front door and arrives a few feet from my destination, without changing vehicles partway through, for arbitrary destinations.

You can take your car if its existence doesn't infringe on everyone else having a nice city where people can walk. For that to happen your convenience of being able to park anywhere close to your final destination will mostly disappear, you will have to find parking in a parking garage, walk up and down stairs (or take an elevator) to get to the street, and walk to your destination. I don't advocate for the extinctio…

To clarify something: I feel the same way about excessive amounts of parking. Taxis are much better on that front, and provide point-to-point transportation. I would love to see a fleet of electric taxis forming part of the public transportation strategy. (In an ideal future world, I'd love to see self-driving electric taxis.)

And I absolutely think that paths for walkers and paths for cars should not intersect; either cars should be underground or walking paths should be raised (which, if built densely enough, is roughly equivalent).

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by s1artibartfast »

tstrimple wrote: post #147
llampx wrote: post #119

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It is amazing how much concern trolling there is about EVs on a site like this.

Same thing happens with renewables. Every single article either positive or negative about solar or wind you'll inevitably see the "But the sun doesn't always shine! Nuclear is the only possible solution!" style comments.

It's a pretty natural response to highlight concerns if something is being shoved down your throat.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by pjc50 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #152
tstrimple wrote: post #147

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Same thing happens with renewables. Every single article either positive or negative about solar or wind you'll inevitably see the "But the sun doesn't always shine! Nuclear is the only possible solution!" style comments.

It's a pretty natural response to highlight concerns if something is being shoved down your throat.

> shoved down your throat

This nearly always means "mentioned" rather than any kind of coercion. The ICE phaseout is still something like a decade away at the most optimistic in Europe and much, much further away in the US.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by pjc50 »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #145
sfn42 wrote: post #130

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I think the point of the person you replied to is that this stuff is comparably unimportant. Micro plastics are as far as I know not even known to be particularly harmful. It's more of a "this is probably bad" type of thing. And I'm not really sure what we're supposed to do about it, we already have huge plastic islands floating around. On the other hand, carbon emissions are known to cause global warming which will…

However the 6PPD used in tyres appears to be very toxic to some marine life and the tyre pollution gets washed off from the roads into rivers etc. It's the toxicity that's the issue. Poisoning the oceans does not seem like a good strategy for the human race. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6PPD

Probably quite hard to detect the effects of that particular chemical underneath all the over-fishing, which is why the concern only appears when people are talking about EVs rather than back in the 1970s when it was introduced.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by Mawr »

cyberax wrote: post #66
piva00 wrote: post #42

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Cars are a 20th century fix for the lack of easily available, comfortable, and fast public transportation. It's a shame the USA got stuck in the mid-20th century on that front.

Yep. Transit was invented to help move workers from massive factories into living areas. Definitely a 20-th century thing. And EVs are from the 21-st century. They are here to fix the utter inhumanity of dense cities, and eventually throw them into a dustbin of history.

> Transit was invented to help move workers from massive factories into living areas.

And you think anything has changed about that? A lot of factory companies hire buses specifically to shuttle their workers back-and-forth.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by andrepd »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #68
piva00 wrote: post #42

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Cars are a 20th century fix for the lack of easily available, comfortable, and fast public transportation. It's a shame the USA got stuck in the mid-20th century on that front.

I look forward to seeing public transportation that begins a few feet from my front door and arrives a few feet from my destination, without changing vehicles partway through, for arbitrary destinations.

And I wish for flying cars that are affordable, don't make noise or pollute, are safe, supersonic, and magically disappear into a bag of holding so they don't need space to park.

Meanwhile in the real world, you need to make compromises. Having everyone use a 3000kg vehicle to carry their 70kg selves, spends 95% of its time parked, and is the leading cause of preventable deaths in the developed world, is a terrible compromise, so instead: Bikes for moving in dense cities, trains for intercity travel, cars for rural areas, and bridges between these modes: transport bikes in trains or rent them at station, park+ride at the edges of cities, etc.

Transportation is complicated.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by andrepd »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #150
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #146

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It'd be well worth aiming to include some active travel (e.g. walking) in your daily schedule as otherwise you may think that you're saving time by parking so close, but you're really shortening your lifespan with an increased chance of sedentary diseases.

Regular exercise is absolutely important. Mixing it with transportation is a recipe for arriving covered in sweat (and, often, rain).

That's why people only bike in sunny countries, like the Netherlands or Denmark.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by andrepd »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #29
andrepd wrote: post #28

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Exactly. EVs are a band-aid, but the true cure is simply viable alternatives to driving .

Yep. I’m finally in a place to bike to work and elsewhere and it’s remarkable how much I can get done without a car. But the infrastructure sucks and there’s so much room for improvement.

Moving to a place where I can bike anywhere safely has been one of the best changes to my quality of life.

It's really not even complicated to do the bare minimum: whenever there are 2 or more lanes, fence one off with concrete dividers to make a bike lane. Whenever there's just 1, pave it with stones and add bumps, and cars and bikes can co-exist.

Bang, I just made your city safer, healthier, and the car traffic quicker. You're welcome.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by chneu »

natmaka wrote: post #142
chneu wrote: post #120

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You forgot cost of fuel(this alone likely offsets your imaginary rental cost), higher insurance rates for trucks(they kill people in routine accidents), cost of extra tires(trucks eat through tires), and higher cost of ownership in general. If you're using a truck as a work truck it'll also need to be replaced much quicker, adding to the overall cost. Trucks are expensive for the owner and society. Also, the majority…

Tall grille, heavy... they are more and more dangerous. "only a quarter of truck owners use their trucks’ towing capacity more than once a year. Only about 30 percent of truck owners go off-road more than once a year. And 35 percent of truck owners basically never even put anything in their truck beds" https://slate.com/business/2022/02/suvs-pickups-heavy-huge-d...

Americans love to cosplay rural life.

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Post by [deleted] »

llampx wrote: post #122
alpaca128 wrote: post #106

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And how many of those are used by people who don’t need a massive white van?

Why does it matter whether you think someone "needs" a pickup or not? Align their crash ratings and NCAP values with every other car and the problem will take care of itself. Personally I have the huge white vans because they reduce visibility when driving as well as while parked. I live in a big city and its difficult to drive when there's a wall parked at every other intersection.

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