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Most basketball players are tall. I guess basketball makes you taller.
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Obesity and Fitness Are Revolutionized By Reddit, Not Doctors
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
So take the kids to the park and either run with them in a stroller (if small enough) or run around the park while they play (larger kids). Either way, get them up earlier and out with you while you run. Good for them too!
My daughter needs over 12 hours of sleep, and has trouble falling asleep before it gets dark. I'm not going to make her get up earlier without very good cause. Also I would not trust you to supervise preschool children in a public space. You clearly do not know what is required to do so responsibly.
Over-supervising children hurt them more than helps. Children need their freedom too.
Besides, if you do not exercise - it's bad for your children. It's especially bad if they do not exercise either (because you don't have time to play with them, and don't allow them play alone, because you want them to be extra safe).
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#154From reading the article I get the impression that the author isn't that familiar with the scientific literature at all. The evidence he presents against the usefulness of cardio for weight loss compares a group of weightlifters against a group of runners who ran only 20km per week and they still lost marginally more weight than the weightlifters! Cardio really should be a minimum of an hour per day, at least 5 days…
Regarding Marathons; As recently as this year the Mayo Clinic has looked at Potential Adverse Cardiovascular Effects From Excessive Endurance Exercise[1]. I also recall a study a couple years back that showed inflammatory damage to marathoners hearts for up to 3 months after running the event. Regarding all the studies you have quoted, all of them are epidemiological in nature, and do not prove causal relationships.…
I really fail to see how you can put this forward for your first piece of "scientific literature on the actual physiological processes involved" just after complaining that all the studies I've quoted are epidemiological in nature, and do not prove causal relationships. This first study you trumpet demonstrates no causal relationship, is taken from a smaller sample, has muddier data and repeatedly supports the findings of the studies I cited!
It examines hypothetical damage from long term distance racing. It opens with:
"A routine of regular exercise is highly effective for prevention and treatment of many common chronic diseases and improves cardiovascular (CV) health and longevity"
And it clearly states that its model is hypothetical:
"Additionally, long-term excessive sustained exercise may be associated with coronary artery calcification, diastolic dysfunction, and large-artery wall stiffening. However, this concept is still hypothetical and there is some inconsistency in the reported findings. Furthermore, lifelong vigorous exercisers generally have low mortality rates and excellent functional capacity"
As I mentioned earlier, racing long distances isn't necessary for health benefits and can be damaging if you don't have enough of a fitness base. Training for long distances on the other hand is overwhelmingly positive.
The other studies you cited don't all say what you say they did:
2) shows higher cortisol from intense exercise than moderate
3) finds that high cortisol increases fat storage
4) finds that after a 100 minute weightlifting session, the BMR rises enough to burn only an additional 60 calories over the next day.
5) similar to 4 but with fewer details
6) finds more weight loss from 3x/week HIIE than 3x/week SSE
7) examines hormonal response hours after a long swimming race
8)finds that both resistance and aerobic exercise temporary suppress appetite, but did not examine effects on caloric intake
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#155Reddit's /r/fitness is like the 4chan of fitness I stopped reading it due to the bickering and posturing, I'd say a wee bit of roid-rage is leaking through.
This is a lazy, spiteful stereotype.
No, it isn't. Read the posts for a while and you'll see a pattern of certain groups who have an absolute view of what they perceive is right and aren't shy to say it. Maybe the mods are better now but I gave up reading anything there after a few months.
Another bad one is r/coffee lots of bickering there too, it must be the caffeine or lack of it.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But, no one has ever put on weight on a calorie deficit. NEVER. The vast majority of people who lose a substantial amount of weight through calorie restriction gain it all back and then some within a few years. Though they do lose in the short run (say, 6 months), they're worse off three years later than if they had never dieted at all. This simple fact - that dieting doesn't work in the long run - suggests that te…
You need to re-read my post.
You wrote: "This is all there is to know on that topic."
That seems pretty obviously false - there's more we know now and there's much much more we could know, even if we don't know it yet.
Before that, you wrote:
> Obviously, for long term results, it's best to eat good food, exercise regularly and do both with moderation.
What exactly constitutes "good food" is one of the things under discussion and is something else "there is to know on this topic". Whether it's "best" to do both "with moderation" depends on how the terms are defined and what your goals are. For instance, it might well be better to exercise irregularly than regularly.
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#157> Here’s a discouraging fact: A 220 lb. man walking up 27 flights of stairs burns the caloric equivalent of half an Oreo
I always hate these statements because they are misleading. It is true the amount of energy required to lift 220 lbs 27 flights of stairs is about half an Oreo, but you burn a lot more than that. To put things in perspective, you burn 35 calories smoking a cigarette.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
And???
You really have no clue what I'm saying, do you?
You're just posting a stream of sarcastic comments. Please go back to reddit if this is your level of discourse:
"This is joke, right? I almost stopped at the first sentence."
"Derp"
"Most basketball players are tall. I guess basketball makes you taller."
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you find time for HN?
1. I can do HN with the kids in the house and use my ears to supervise. I can't do that with exercise. (My son is right now sitting next to me, counting and recounting his allowance.) 2. I can comfortably do HN while it is too hot outside to exercise.
hm. a machine solves both problems; I mean, I don't have kids but most of the cardio I've done in the last 5 years or so has been on a machine; instead of watching children, I watch silly action movies. For me? it's to distract me from the monotony. Action movies were made for my attention span; but it seems you could just as easily supervise children.
That said, I certainly feel a lot more difference from resistance training than from cardio, and diet changes have been more effective than either in controlling my weight. (e.g. an hour a day of running is not going to keep me from ballooning out if I use mountain dew as my primary caffeine delivery mechanism.)
I mean, you can get a really nice treadmill for a grand and a half; by the standards of medical care, that's really cheap; Personally, I've also had some success using the manual type (which can be had for $50 or so on craigslist) unlike most other cheap cardio equipment (I utterly destroyed a rowing machine through a month of daily use... most low-end cardio equipment wasn't designed for actual use by a 200lb man.) the manual treadmills seem to be fairly durable. "I'm going to go push the shopping cart" I'd say. It does take a bit more concentration than an automatic, just 'cause if you stop, it stops, but eh, it's certainly usable, and you get a little bit of upper-body work done, too; it really is very much like pushing a heavy shopping cart.
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#160From reading the article I get the impression that the author isn't that familiar with the scientific literature at all. The evidence he presents against the usefulness of cardio for weight loss compares a group of weightlifters against a group of runners who ran only 20km per week and they still lost marginally more weight than the weightlifters! Cardio really should be a minimum of an hour per day, at least 5 days…
>Found that men who ran two or more marathons per year were 41 percent less likely to suffer from high blood pressure, 32 percent less likely to have high cholesterol, and 87 percent less likely to be diabetic than non-marathoners. Isn't it obvious selection bias? People with high blood pressure, high cholesterol and with diabets do not run marathones. >Americans are more into protein and more into weightlifting than…
Alternatively looking at the other group: Are you comparing people who exercise to people who don't? If you are, and your conclusion is "aerobic exercise is necessary"... you have a flawed study.