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I've first hand encountered several situations with subtitles where it would have been ambiguous who was speaking without speaker annotations, despite the voices being distinctive, me being able to hear them clearly etc. Just think of a rapid exchange with neither speaker on-screen for more than two or three sentences and replies. You can probably get 99% there without that for a lot of content, but I'd challenge the…

I guess you can have that in a real life situation as well, where you don't have subtitles at all (hello AR) and still can handle. Do you want your subtitles full of metadata the whole movie for every movie and every day, for those several situations when the image director made a mess? You can always play that confusing scene again.

I definitely prefer subtitles to be as helpful as possible, yes. That includes having situationally appropriate metadata (which is different from "all the metadata, all the time").

I don't think that's an unrealistic goal to have for AIs; they're already extremely good at semantic scene description after all. By looking at the image in addition to just the audio track they probably also get a lot more metadata, which a refined world model will eventually be able to use just like a human subtitle editor can today.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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Very excited for this, but a waste of energy if everyone is needing to process their video in real time.

Why are we still talking about this? Computers are INCREDIBLY efficient and still become orders of magnitude more efficient. Computation is really negligible in the grand scheme of things. In the 80s some people also said that our whole world energy would go to computations in the future. And look today. It’s less than 1%. We do orders of magnitude more computations, but the computers have become orders of magnitude…

> Why are we still talking about this? Computers are INCREDIBLY efficient and still become orders of magnitude more efficient.

Because today is today, and if we can project that the energy consumption of doing a task n times on the client side outweighs the complexity of doing it once and then distributing the result somehow to all n clients, we should arguably still do it.

Sometimes it's better to wait; sometimes it's better to ship the improved version now.

> Computation is really negligible in the grand scheme of things.

Tell that to my phone burning my hand and running through a quarter of its battery for some local ML task every once in a while.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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I guess you can have that in a real life situation as well, where you don't have subtitles at all (hello AR) and still can handle. Do you want your subtitles full of metadata the whole movie for every movie and every day, for those several situations when the image director made a mess? You can always play that confusing scene again.

I definitely prefer subtitles to be as helpful as possible, yes. That includes having situationally appropriate metadata (which is different from "all the metadata, all the time"). I don't think that's an unrealistic goal to have for AIs; they're already extremely good at semantic scene description after all. By looking at the image in addition to just the audio track they probably also get a lot more metadata, which…

So you mean, the AI should figure out when a problematic scene is coming, and only then add labels and whatnot? Not impossible, just somebody must teach them, same with subtitles positioning.

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I've seen this sentiment a lot, and it's always confused me a bit. I only use Jellyfin as well, I've never really seen the appeal of the *arr stack. I really don't see the appeal of having a firehose pointed at my Jellyfin instance, which requires like eight additional services that need to run.

> I've never really seen the appeal of the *arr stack Automation I suppose. I only run Sonarr/Radarr, so two additional services. They both work exactly the same, so it's basically "configure once, run twice". I eventually ran out of patience to find the right releases and what not, and now enjoy a life where I can just input the title, then return one hour later to everything setup for me. Any new episodes/movies wi…

I am mostly in the same camp but there are a few quality of life improvements that I recommend:

1. Overseerr - add tv/movies in one place 2. Custom feeds as import lists so that new, popular stuff is automatically getting added 3. Kometa (for Plex users) - custom collections via trakt and burning imdb/rt/metacritic scores into cover art

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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> I've never really seen the appeal of the *arr stack Automation I suppose. I only run Sonarr/Radarr, so two additional services. They both work exactly the same, so it's basically "configure once, run twice". I eventually ran out of patience to find the right releases and what not, and now enjoy a life where I can just input the title, then return one hour later to everything setup for me. Any new episodes/movies wi…

I am mostly in the same camp but there are a few quality of life improvements that I recommend: 1. Overseerr - add tv/movies in one place 2. Custom feeds as import lists so that new, popular stuff is automatically getting added 3. Kometa (for Plex users) - custom collections via trakt and burning imdb/rt/metacritic scores into cover art

> 2. Custom feeds as import lists so that new, popular stuff is automatically getting added

What do you mean with this? Are you automatically downloading things based on popularity solely, or does this mean something else?

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Why are we still talking about this? Computers are INCREDIBLY efficient and still become orders of magnitude more efficient. Computation is really negligible in the grand scheme of things. In the 80s some people also said that our whole world energy would go to computations in the future. And look today. It’s less than 1%. We do orders of magnitude more computations, but the computers have become orders of magnitude…

> In the 80s some people also said that our whole world energy would go to computations in the future. And look today. Today we consume twice as much energy as we did in the 80s (and that's mostly coming from an increase in fossil fuels consumption). Datacenters alone consume more than 1% of global energy production, that doesn't include the network, the terminals, and the energy necessary to produce all of the hardw…

> Today we consume twice as much energy as we did in the 80s

Who's "we"?

Worldwide we've gone from 4.4 tons/person to 4.7 tons/person (7% increase) from 1980 to 2023: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...

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They don’t need designers when they are the free media player that stood the test of time and being used by the masses. It’s true organic bottom up design, tweaked little by little over the years

It's not required. But it could make their product easier to use and more usable for their users. But that's clearly not something the core team values or is passionate about and I appreciate that they have other priorities. It's common with many OSS projects. There are a few positive exceptions. But this stuff is hard.

Designer in an OSS project must be quite a unique job too

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> In the 80s some people also said that our whole world energy would go to computations in the future. And look today. Today we consume twice as much energy as we did in the 80s (and that's mostly coming from an increase in fossil fuels consumption). Datacenters alone consume more than 1% of global energy production, that doesn't include the network, the terminals, and the energy necessary to produce all of the hardw…

> Today we consume twice as much energy as we did in the 80s Who's "we"? Worldwide we've gone from 4.4 tons/person to 4.7 tons/person (7% increase) from 1980 to 2023: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...

Energy consumption, not CO2 emissions, 90TWh in 1980 to 180TWh now: https://ourworldindata.org/energy-production-consumption
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