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> Why would it matter when the judiciary is not a co-equal branch of government? Then there is an external guarantor of the rights of the people against the government.

Huh? What ‘external guarantor’?

> What ‘external guarantor’?

…the coëqual judiciary.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Yeah are we forgetting Alberta truckers who were planning to murder RCMP officers, and were straight-up terrorists?

The thing they were found not guilty of? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/anthony-olienick-chri...

> But Anthony Olienick and Chris Carbert were both convicted on other charges of mischief and possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose. Olienick was also convicted of possessing a pipe bomb.

> "It was an overcharge to begin with," Beyak said.

> He said if police tried to storm the barricade, he would "slit their throats."

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

> The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD

This might be splitting hairs, but I think this is more about the strength of USD than the weakness of CAD. I don't know that you can say CAD has "collapsed" when every other major currency has seen a similar (or worse) drop compared to USD over the last 10 years.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Spend 5 minutes in Toronto Union Station during commuter hours and you'll never describe Canadians as polite again.

That's the very worst point of view you'll ever get of Canadians. Of course people in a busy train station during rush hour aren't in the best mood. Travel the country up and down, big cities and small towns, and I guarantee you will conclude that Canadians are the best people around.

They are also not all Canadian in the station

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Trump I feel like a single word should explain it, but I know HN abhors single word responses. Trump has threatened tariffs and has mentioned annexing Canada. He's also mentioned buying Greenland, trading Puerto Rico for Greenland, and a bunch of other notions.

Greenland actually makes a lot of sense. I think if every citizen there was offered $5million they’d vote yes. And it’s entirely reasonable from the USA perspective as it’s not that much overall for the US. Probably wouldn’t make a state but treat like Puerto Rico where they continue to self govern and citizens can freely move to the USA as they’d have USA passports. For USA very strategic naval passages and mineral…

> I think if every citizen there was offered $5million they’d vote yes. And it’s entirely reasonable from the USA perspective as it’s not that much overall for the US.

That's almost $300 billion dollars?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Problem with First Past the Post voting systems, we tend to vote "strategically", and since the Alliance and PC's joined early augh's, the Right has been "unified" while the left is still split between the more centrist liberals and left NDP, with a small portion bled off for green's. Would love to see explanations of downvotes since this is factually true...

First past the post is awesome. I moved from a proportional-representation country to a FPTP one (Canada) and it's so much better to have a specific individual who is my MP. Back where I was born, there's a grey and anonymous party list of people selected by extremely dubious internal party political means. I never felt the slightest bit represented; and the political process was completely opaque. Now I have a dude…

FPTP has many many flaws, one being that it trends towards a defacto 2-party system due to strategic voting, especially if only one spectrum is divided (i.e. liberal/ndp, or alliance/progressive conservatives back a few decades ago).

The Anonymous Party list, and opaque process are not inherent factors on any of the replacements for FPTP, in fact the only one WITH the list was supposed to be an open list, and that was the system with the least political support.

Ranked/alternate voting, STV and other options directly address the issues with FPTP without introducing the drawbacks of MMP/unelected leaders being selected for seats.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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>'The intent was not to get at the families', and when a democratic government starts a sentence that way something deeply #&$#ed up has happened." Wait, are people that shocked that their democratic governments are wiling to act like mobsters/dictators against a minority group just to get their way and appease a majority, when the history books are full of such examples? People must have a short memory then and why…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

> soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them

The trucker protests were right in the middle of the Covid supply chain issues. Not defending the actions taken in particular, but it had the potential to be a much worse issue than a minor inconvenience.

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First past the post is awesome. I moved from a proportional-representation country to a FPTP one (Canada) and it's so much better to have a specific individual who is my MP. Back where I was born, there's a grey and anonymous party list of people selected by extremely dubious internal party political means. I never felt the slightest bit represented; and the political process was completely opaque. Now I have a dude…

You can have both. Selected the candidate and proportional presentation. Most popular party candidates get elected.

Multiple proportional systems don't require lists and provide the best outcome.

Comparing FPTP to a worse system and decided FTPT is awesome while ignoring its known and widely discussed flaws surprises me. Its not really open for debate these days although people love to reject reality.

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