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Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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page 27 > Zuckerbergs's Law: The amount each person shares doubles each year. I initially thought wealth, ideas and love was meant but no ... it's just data.

Why would you think it was anything BUT data?

Before we started using "share" to mean "post" or "upload", and long before it meant "rent", it meant other things. Now it's so normal that we don't even think of how that word is a particular framing of those activities.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #121

There's propaganda slogans/posters like this all over the Meta offices. One of them is "This is now your company". When the layoffs started happening, I started seeing these mocked, "This is no longer your company", etc.

Amazon also likes to tout their way of doing things as Amazon's peculiar culture. Some practices like reading the design proposal doc before starting the discussion about it looks right in general sense, but it usually turns out that almost all people who are invited to these meetings don't actually read that doc (instead are busy working on their tasks) or don't really have the depth to understand what's written in the doc in 15-30 mins. So what ends up happening is a lot of these meetings end up being dominated by whoever is the top dog (usually the guy with higher level in the room) in that meeting and the rest of the attendees end up listening to his/her opinion without much challenge (because most are intent on just getting out of that meeting).

The whole 2+ years I was there (left because of 3-days RTO), I felt like it was a cult and some people seem to drink the kool-aid (or they are good at pretending to like the culture), but some like me, who are more skeptical, don't.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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I reconnected with a long-lost childhood friend that I barely remembered any detail other than her name via Facebook. It proved its worth to me that day, but the caveat is that I had to reach her mom, and that's because she actually stopped using it long prior. After we started talking (and eventually dating), she deleted her entire account / profile, which rendered her unfindable again. The main problem she had was that she wasn't benefiting from it, and they were sharing so much of her personal information that she didn't feel comfortable with it.

It's an interesting juxtaposition, because had she not had a profile, I wouldn't have found her. But by that same measure, she found it invasive enough to delete her account.

I think Facebook had a time and place for when connecting people was an innocent venture with largely altruistic goals. But like so many things, times have changed and the calculus for "maybe one day a special person will find me on Facebook" vs "creepily processing all personal information" has shifted. Most young people aren't on Facebook. The door has closed, and I'm not sure if it'll reopen any time soon.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This take feels very out of touch with how tech was in 2012. It was evident where the trends were heading, but that optimism that was heavy throughout the tech boom in the late 2000s was definitely still there.

There _was_ backlash. It just didn't operationalize very effectively. For instance, news organizations mostly saw FB and Google as a way to undermine and ultimately replace vetted news with unvetted, unprofessional hot takes. Anyone above a certain age likely saw these viewpoints and agreed with them but not enough to start a movement. When facebook became generally available I was maybe 14-15, and even back then I r…

> There _was_ backlash.

RTFC:

> It was evident where the trends were heading

I'm stating that tech in general still held the optimistic viewpoint, not that outside groups weren't tiring of techs optimism.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #52

I think people here are too young to remember the tech industry in 2012. None of the images and ideas conveyed in this book (printing press, cave art, fall of the Berlin wall, Arab Spring, particle accelerators) were outlandish for the time and space it was printed in. Tech was all about optimism and idealism. Everyone in silicon valley knew they were changing the world for the better, and tech was the missing piece…

I think the movie The Social Network was responsible for bringing this into the public consciousness, and constructing it to some extent. It kind of framed the discussion about the software industry for at least a decade.

Feels like we watched different movies.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #52

I think people here are too young to remember the tech industry in 2012. None of the images and ideas conveyed in this book (printing press, cave art, fall of the Berlin wall, Arab Spring, particle accelerators) were outlandish for the time and space it was printed in. Tech was all about optimism and idealism. Everyone in silicon valley knew they were changing the world for the better, and tech was the missing piece…

You're likely too young to remember anything much before 2012. Honestly, this stuff has been around for 50 years. Go watch a video about Steve Jobs at NeXT from the 1980s.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #52

I think people here are too young to remember the tech industry in 2012. None of the images and ideas conveyed in this book (printing press, cave art, fall of the Berlin wall, Arab Spring, particle accelerators) were outlandish for the time and space it was printed in. Tech was all about optimism and idealism. Everyone in silicon valley knew they were changing the world for the better, and tech was the missing piece…

This site is from that era, a bunch of posters on this thread are registered from then or before. There was plenty of cynicism in tech back then too, plenty of posters who always complained about 'micro$oft'. How Oracle had been corrupted, etc. What seems to be different now is that the optimism hype fades quicker. Back then Google kept it going for years. Recently things like Tesla and OpenAI the optimism gave way t…

There was plenty of cynicism in tech back then too, plenty of posters who always complained about 'micro$oft'.

I think the anti-Microsoft sentiment (outside of some internet forums, and justified IE6 hate) had been dialled back by the early 2010s.

.NET was a thing, they were post-Gates, post-antitrust, making significant efforts at developer outreach. Windows 7 was a hit.

Despite working in the Microsoft ecosystem, I didn't feel trapped, and the walled garden was coming down, with awareness of non-Microsoft technologies being widespread.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #85

I remember this. Wish I'd kept my little piece of history. Written at a time when people were still optimistic and hopeful about tech.

Lots of people are still optimistic about tech. They just generally don't have time to get into silly arguments about it on HN.

Eh, people back then were optimistic about tech AND had time to get into silly arguments about it on HN. So something's changed

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a serious problem with calling everything social media and (more importantly) how it spells doom for this that and the other If you want to criticize specific companies - yeah. But I literally do not understand what people are talking about when employing the usual "Social media was a mistake" type stuff

People typically refer to the data brokerage economy that sprung up thanks to social media. As well as being experimented on (A/B tests) for dubious reasons.

But, the data brokerage economy was the only way such a thing could connect people from different economic backgrounds, etc.

Without that, to pay for social media, the options would have been paid apps, which would never have had the escape velocity to be what current social media is today

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