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Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Facebook is definitely a "great company" by Person of the Year rules[1]. There are some real whoppers on that list. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year

It is great in the sense that it is very large.

Great like the Great War, or the Great Depression, or the Great Irish Famine?

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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I think people here are too young to remember the tech industry in 2012. None of the images and ideas conveyed in this book (printing press, cave art, fall of the Berlin wall, Arab Spring, particle accelerators) were outlandish for the time and space it was printed in. Tech was all about optimism and idealism. Everyone in silicon valley knew they were changing the world for the better, and tech was the missing piece all along. Silly people would finally all stop fighting and get along now that they had Facebook and Twitter and iPhones.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #22

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I can kind of understand having that kind of optimism back in the Internet of, say, 1998, before we saw how vampiric venture-backed winner-take-most tech companies would be. But by 2012, it would be incredibly naive of tech employees (of any company) to seriously believe they were some kind of force for good.

This take feels very out of touch with how tech was in 2012. It was evident where the trends were heading, but that optimism that was heavy throughout the tech boom in the late 2000s was definitely still there.

There _was_ backlash. It just didn't operationalize very effectively. For instance, news organizations mostly saw FB and Google as a way to undermine and ultimately replace vetted news with unvetted, unprofessional hot takes. Anyone above a certain age likely saw these viewpoints and agreed with them but not enough to start a movement.

When facebook became generally available I was maybe 14-15, and even back then I remember thinking "this feels very much like it's going to ruin some young womens' lives". But what the hell was I going to do? I mean - the platform _was_ used as a sort of early Tinder, where sexual attraction could play out in a semi-anonymized way.

This comment is in no way exhaustive either.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #52

I think people here are too young to remember the tech industry in 2012. None of the images and ideas conveyed in this book (printing press, cave art, fall of the Berlin wall, Arab Spring, particle accelerators) were outlandish for the time and space it was printed in. Tech was all about optimism and idealism. Everyone in silicon valley knew they were changing the world for the better, and tech was the missing piece…

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Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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It's funny; as I've been working on Haven[1], one of my guiding lights is what Facebook _could have been_[2]. To that end the opening section is really inspiring. This is describing a world where digital tools enhance your friendships. I think that's still possible and still a worthwhile goal--I just don't think it can be done by an entity with a corporate incentive structure. Those incentives will always tend towards enshittification[3].

[1]: https://havenweb.org

[2]: https://havenweb.org/2022/11/02/facebook-lie.html

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification#

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #44

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And has completely changed the world.

I think Google aped Facebook on world-changing by harvesting data and running algorithms to get you to scroll through a list. Changed the US might be more accurate.

Limiting the influence of Facebook to the US doesn't seem necessary.

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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post #54
post #52

I think people here are too young to remember the tech industry in 2012. None of the images and ideas conveyed in this book (printing press, cave art, fall of the Berlin wall, Arab Spring, particle accelerators) were outlandish for the time and space it was printed in. Tech was all about optimism and idealism. Everyone in silicon valley knew they were changing the world for the better, and tech was the missing piece…

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OP didn’t make a statement about the facts on the ground, but the culture and myths of the time. (If you think the villainy myths we tell ourselves today are more grounded in truth, they’re not. We’re always in a narrative. And there is nothing wrong with collective narratives.)
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