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Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by wkat4242 »

doublerabbit wrote: post #118
dylan604 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don't write off those that setup a WAMP and then make it public facing. the time to get a LAMP setup running is pretty close to <1min after a simple double-click on an installer. getting a sane/secure LAMP setup running is an entirely different story that you did not specify as being a qualification.

What I was implying was the cost of services, who are you going to host with? Cost of maintaining, whos going to keep up with latest CVEs? Cost of domain, registrars, SSL certificates. Cost of all adds up. A non-tech IT business has minimal resources for all of that. They want "pay $, click, it works". Not a dedicated IT worker to serve all of above. If you take say a tutor, a bassist, they don't want all that overhe…

> If you take say a tutor, a bassist, they don't want all that overhead. They want a platform where they can advertise their tutoring costs, a contact form and be done with it. WP isn't ideal but it works.

Yeah and especially if they want to update it themselves. Wordpress makes that easy even for the non techies so the customer can do it themselves.

Of course the big Achilles heel of WordPress is the plugins and their vulnerabilities. So really you still need someone technical to keep it up to date, which is often forgotten.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by wkat4242 »

inlined wrote: post #130

Do you want antitrust investigations? Because this is how you get antitrust investigations. Wordpress is nearly half of the Internet. There’s a pretty compelling argument that Matt is using his market power to prevent competition in violation of the Sherman act.

Nearly half isn't enough to trigger antitrust. Especially because that nearly half is only mom and pop shops and not the ones doing the real big business. So I wouldn't be too worried about that.

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Post by stevenicr »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #50
stevenicr wrote: post #49

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> I can see many reasons to deploy such a thing Care to share?

Could be advice from a legal counsel to limit access since they have filed a suit against you?

I imagine if I had a company that asked someone to chip to help cover bandwidth and server resources, and they refused to pony up, I would say you are going to be limited in your access - and this would be another way to limit it.

If someone setup a system to steal all youtube videos and republish them, would it be reasonable for Google to add a captcha and demand that they not use thier bandwidth or content in way they don't like? Would it be cool to have a login system similar if detected?

This is more about access to a site and those servers than it is about being able to clone and use WP code imho.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by inlined »

wkat4242 wrote: post #152
inlined wrote: post #130

Do you want antitrust investigations? Because this is how you get antitrust investigations. Wordpress is nearly half of the Internet. There’s a pretty compelling argument that Matt is using his market power to prevent competition in violation of the Sherman act.

Nearly half isn't enough to trigger antitrust. Especially because that nearly half is only mom and pop shops and not the ones doing the real big business. So I wouldn't be too worried about that.

Mom and pop are the consumers/victims here. And if 46% of all websites are WordPress, it’s probably likely that it has a monopoly on sites in its domain (e.g. blogging, commerce)

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Post by throw16180339 »

rahkiin wrote: post #139
oskarkk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And work of the WP Engine developers would be directed by Wordpress.org, which is just Matt, not the foundation. From https://automattic.com/2024/wp-engine-term-sheet.pdf : Fee. In exchange for the License Grant, WP Engine shall do one of the following: (a) Pay Automattic a royalty fee equal to 8% of its Gross Revenue on a monthly basis, within fifteen days of the end of each month. "Gross Revenue" means all revenue…

> access to employee records and time-tracking I’ve seen subsidies where hourly totals are required ‘employee records’? Why does money go to Automattic instead of the Foundation?

> Why does money go to Automattic instead of the Foundation?

Matt wants Automattic to get the money and he controls both of them.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by nchmy »

threeseed wrote: post #120
dylan604 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that essentially what caused this kerfuffle? Someone forked it and the original guy got upset about the how/why of the fork?

It’s more that WP Engine is successful and hasn’t meaningfully contributed back to the Wordpress project. Which I can sympathise with. But this isn’t what open source is about both legally and morally. And there are better ways to achieve this goal than by making a mockery of the Wordpress foundation and harming end users.

The wordpress foundation has never been anything BUT a mockery. It doesnt do anything - it is a shell for Matt's trademark schemes and tax fraud

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Post by nchmy »

GavinAnderegg wrote: post #134
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #88

“WP Engine is free to offer their hacked up, bastardized simulacra of WordPress’s GPL code to their customers, and they can experience WordPress as WP Engine envisions it" Does anyone know what the context about this is? What did WP-Engine change which Matt disliked? As I understand they were disabling page revision history (but would enable it if you asked) and only because they had some other proprietary to wp-engi…

It's about revision history, as Matt laid out here: https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine/ However, disabling revision history is a setting offered as part of WordPress: https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/revisions/#revis... I'd argue that WordPress.com, the paid hosting platform that Automattic operates, is more of a "hacked up, bastardized simulacra of WordPress’s GPL code". By default you can only…

Its not about revision history. That's just one of 429 contradictory reasons that matt has given for why he's doing this. Dont take ANYTHING that guy says at face value - he's a psychopath

Youre absolutely right though - WP dot com is by far the worst offender of his own standards.

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Post by nchmy »

onehair wrote: post #128
iamronaldo wrote: post #74

I spoke to matt and he seemed nice enough to me so for me its weird to see such a radical stance from him on something like this

I'm sorry. His facial expressions and ways he answers questions paint a very shady picture when he talks on this topic.

Nailed it - his body language is a) never normal and b) never agrees with what he's saying. He's trying to look innocent, folksy etc..., but he cant handle the dissonance.

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Post by dylan604 »

inlined wrote: post #154
wkat4242 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly half isn't enough to trigger antitrust. Especially because that nearly half is only mom and pop shops and not the ones doing the real big business. So I wouldn't be too worried about that.

Mom and pop are the consumers/victims here. And if 46% of all websites are WordPress, it’s probably likely that it has a monopoly on sites in its domain (e.g. blogging, commerce)

But nobody cares about blogging. At least not of the population block that not about to die off. Stories/Reels/meh are where attention is at now. Commerce? If it's not Amazon, it's nothing. After that for mom&pop shops would be Shopify/Etsy/otherNotSmallSites. Maybe FB Marketplace, Insta/TikTok type sales too. I honestly would be surprised if mom&pops are getting much from their own websites in today's world.

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Post by dylan604 »

nchmy wrote: post #157
GavinAnderegg wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about revision history, as Matt laid out here: https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine/ However, disabling revision history is a setting offered as part of WordPress: https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/revisions/#revis... I'd argue that WordPress.com, the paid hosting platform that Automattic operates, is more of a "hacked up, bastardized simulacra of WordPress’s GPL code". By default you can only…

Its not about revision history. That's just one of 429 contradictory reasons that matt has given for why he's doing this. Dont take ANYTHING that guy says at face value - he's a psychopath Youre absolutely right though - WP dot com is by far the worst offender of his own standards.

at some point the disagreement about revision history will be settled through revisionist history
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