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Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by dylan604 »

Zak wrote: post #99
dylan604 wrote: post #90

This whole bit of drama really makes me glad I never invested time/energy in WordPress. It's like Real Housewives of Computer Nerds level of whining, and feels just as fake. Regardless of right/wrong, the whole thing has just turned into a 80s made for TV type of situation. There was a much better way at handling this, but somebody had access to social media and the wheels promptly fell off.

The nice thing is it's GPL, so the founder/owner can't just take his ball and go home. It's also widely-used/important enough that it will get forked if leadership problems start to make it unusable for too many people.

Isn't that essentially what caused this kerfuffle? Someone forked it and the original guy got upset about the how/why of the fork?

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by dylan604 »

doublerabbit wrote: post #108
pembrook wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a million standalone CMS’s (headless) and standalone site builders (ranging from pure technical to no-code to no-design) and even sitebuilders with robust CMS’s attached these days (eg. Webflow). There’s zero reason to use Wordpress in 2024 imo.

> There’s zero reason to use Wordpress IMO in 2024. Many folk, companies don't have the resources nor skillset to set up a LAMP equivalent for such. If you want to be the next wonder-host for $CMS be my guest. I recommend Kirby. No database required and only uses text files for its backend. https://getkirby.com/

don't write off those that setup a WAMP and then make it public facing. the time to get a LAMP setup running is pretty close to <1min after a simple double-click on an installer. getting a sane/secure LAMP setup running is an entirely different story that you did not specify as being a qualification.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by rahkiin »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #97
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #88

“WP Engine is free to offer their hacked up, bastardized simulacra of WordPress’s GPL code to their customers, and they can experience WordPress as WP Engine envisions it" Does anyone know what the context about this is? What did WP-Engine change which Matt disliked? As I understand they were disabling page revision history (but would enable it if you asked) and only because they had some other proprietary to wp-engi…

Per https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-banned/ and https://x.com/photomatt/status/1838502185879167069 I believe that WPEngine disabling the admin news feed that displayed his posts directly to WPEngine's customers was the tipping point for calling it a hacked up, bastardized simulacra

That was after he made a personal post hating on WPEngine show up on all dashboard of all WPEngine customers.

I read the revisions are often turned off as they cause major issues with database performance. It is a standard feature of wordpress too but them turning it off by default triggered matt

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by dylan604 »

1-more wrote: post #109
dylan604 wrote: post #90

This whole bit of drama really makes me glad I never invested time/energy in WordPress. It's like Real Housewives of Computer Nerds level of whining, and feels just as fake. Regardless of right/wrong, the whole thing has just turned into a 80s made for TV type of situation. There was a much better way at handling this, but somebody had access to social media and the wheels promptly fell off.

> Real Housewives of Computer Nerds OK you've convinced me to get invested in this.

I'm accepting scripts for this unscripted series now. We're still trying to get someone credible attached so we can get it green lit.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by [deleted] »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #33
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #25

To see the requirement for the non-affilation goto https://login.wordpress.org/ EDIT (to save having a 2nd post). Looking at the HTML tags for the requirement it has the class "login-lawsuit", so guessing this is tried to the suit WPE are bringing against WordPress/Matt. On one hand, I personally feel like Matt is trying to speed run burning all the goodwill of the wordpress project, on the other hand if you are bein…

Generally the recommendation is to freeze current ties with said entity until the court case gets worked out. By aggressively targeting the employees of said other organization, you're risking it being used against you in the ongoing court cases. Regardless, .org and .com are claimed to be separate legal entities, so there is no lawsuit against .org. This is just an escalation out of a sense of moral righteousness.

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Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by johnklos »

The title literally made me laugh out loud. What drama! What intrigue! Can't wait to see what happens next.

Honestly, I have no horse in the race, so to speak. I think the people responsible for Wordpress code still suck because they still, in 2024, want the software itself to be able to write to where the software itself lives and runs, which is just bananas. It violates the first two rules of anything and everything on the web that I learned in the '90s:

* do not allow writing to anywhere that's executable

* do not allow execution anywhere that's writable

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by doublerabbit »

dylan604 wrote: post #112
doublerabbit wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There’s zero reason to use Wordpress IMO in 2024. Many folk, companies don't have the resources nor skillset to set up a LAMP equivalent for such. If you want to be the next wonder-host for $CMS be my guest. I recommend Kirby. No database required and only uses text files for its backend. https://getkirby.com/

don't write off those that setup a WAMP and then make it public facing. the time to get a LAMP setup running is pretty close to <1min after a simple double-click on an installer. getting a sane/secure LAMP setup running is an entirely different story that you did not specify as being a qualification.

What I was implying was the cost of services, who are you going to host with?

Cost of maintaining, whos going to keep up with latest CVEs?

Cost of domain, registrars, SSL certificates.

Cost of all adds up. A non-tech IT business has minimal resources for all of that. They want "pay $, click, it works". Not a dedicated IT worker to serve all of above.

If you take say a tutor, a bassist, they don't want all that overhead. They want a platform where they can advertise their tutoring costs, a contact form and be done with it. WP isn't ideal but it works.

For someone who can host WAMP/LAMP, fine. But for the average folk, it's not. There was a reason why WP gained popularity to begin with and it was because it was easy to adapt and junior PHP developers were plentiful, just as junior python developers are now.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by water-data-dude »

weikju wrote: post #93
vram22 wrote: post #89

Looks like the word "denounce" is not used in the right sense here, at least based on what I know, and on a quick google, although it may have another meaning that matches what was intended by the writer of the article. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/denounce

Maybe the word should be : renounce? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/renounce

I’m a fan of “repudiate”. It’s got heft to it, like an antique pocket watch.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by threeseed »

dylan604 wrote: post #111
Zak wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nice thing is it's GPL, so the founder/owner can't just take his ball and go home. It's also widely-used/important enough that it will get forked if leadership problems start to make it unusable for too many people.

Isn't that essentially what caused this kerfuffle? Someone forked it and the original guy got upset about the how/why of the fork?

It’s more that WP Engine is successful and hasn’t meaningfully contributed back to the Wordpress project.

Which I can sympathise with. But this isn’t what open source is about both legally and morally. And there are better ways to achieve this goal than by making a mockery of the Wordpress foundation and harming end users.

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