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Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by jdiff »

satisfice wrote: post #140

Sora, in imitating art, also subtly discourages it. How? Well, in ordinary movie making, various artists collaborate to channel a vision into video. The instrumentation (and sets, etc.) they use to do this entails millions of degrees of freedom. They have freedom to create that goes beyond any words that may describe it. Pre-trained generative models have many fewer degrees of freedom. For instance, try asking Bing t…

This is something I rarely see addressed. AI proponents always fall back to "it's just a new tool, just like all the old new tools that made things easier" but all the old new tools only opened up more degrees of freedom by automating away tedium. So much generative AI automates away the creativity leaving only the tedium, and leaving limited ways to even create.

If I have a vision, I cannot pull that out of my head and make it real using generative AI. Maybe I can get someone else's take on my concept, but I don't have the flexibility to build the image in my head. That's the real difference between the new tools of old and the "new tools" of today. You can't actually create with them, just sift and hope with varying degrees of control, but no creativity.

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Post by xboxnolifes »

j2kun wrote: post #48

The responses in that thread are basically telling a 16 year old kid that their feelings are wrong and they should shut up and get on board.

It didn't seem wrong before to tell 16 year olds that a career in art was a nebulous plan. It certainly wasn't a stable career path before sora, even if some find a way to make it work.

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Post by [deleted] »

bigboy12 wrote: post #150
seoulmetro wrote: post #142

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You think making art is more important than making the very foundations of the world we live in autonomous is? How can you even reason that. Imagine an army of people with AI art makers versing an army of people with steam engines... who do you think will change the world? AI is nothing compared to the industrial revolution.

Yap yap yap. The camera will ruin painters, movies will cause psychosis , dancing is gods sin, comics will ruin our nation’s youth , photoshop will end the work of photography. Blah blah blah.

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Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by 65 »

dougb5 wrote: post #148
65 wrote: post #57

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I don't get it. Why? The entire point of life is to reproduce. Every moment in history has technological changes. Your fear is driving you to make poor decisions. Having children is a biologically good decision.

Hey I'll choose my "entire point in life", thank you.

When you're about to die and see yourself leaving nothing behind, you will regret it. Just another case of natural selection.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by dougb5 »

65 wrote: post #154
dougb5 wrote: post #148

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Hey I'll choose my "entire point in life", thank you.

When you're about to die and see yourself leaving nothing behind, you will regret it. Just another case of natural selection.

Forecast someone else's deathbed, friend, or get to know me before making such a prophecy. I will regret lots of things but not that!

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Post by jemmyw »

scandox wrote: post #29

I think what a lot of the answers gloss over is that the period of adjustment to the new technology often does pull the rug from under people who have invested a good deal of time and attention becoming skilled at something. Our lives are of limited length therefore the concern for a generation of people is real and shouldn't be just treated as a detail of history. Equally in many areas the end result is a loss of so…

The thing about the steam engine is that it took a long time to develop and permeate society. We're talking 3 generations of people between the first engines able to pump water from coal mines to steam locomotives connecting cities.

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Post by starbugs »

throwing_away wrote: post #133
starbugs wrote: post #69

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> If I need you to perform a task, I'm going to try and prevent you from experiencing pain by giving you clear requirements and time to complete the task. That doesn't explain what pain is. My question was how you would algorithmically create that? If I am as much a being as an algorithm, as you insulted, then sure thing there must be an algorithmic nature underlying my (or anyone's) pain?

I think you mean insinuated, not insulted (I hope I'm not being insulting). I'm not sure what answer would communicate the idea clearest, but: * If you want the AI version of pain, there are examples of attacks that cause it to bug out and malfunction. It's clearly not operating correctly, and I think someone famously got Bing to say it wants to go on a rampage? Here's blogspam from last year form a quick search: htt…

> I think you mean insinuated, not insulted (I hope I'm not being insulting).

I meant what I typed. Claiming that a human being "is an algorithm if you abstract enough" is an insult. I hope you can see that?

> If you want the AI version of pain

> If you want to know why people or animals experience pain

> If you want AI with literal neurons that can feel "pain"

Look. I find it fascinating how a simple question can be evaded with so much insistence and gaslighting.

I don't want any of that. I didn't ask for that.

I said an LLM is not a being. It's an algorithm. You claimed that "So are you, if you abstract enough."

If I am to be reduced to an algorithm, then all I want is an explanation of how I am supposed to be that if you can't explain the algorithmic nature of the most fundamental aspects of a (human) being. If you can't, maybe you should consider that your claim is not only wrong, but potentially a sophisticated intellectual form of pseudo-legitimized dehuminization? (And we shouldn't be calling LLMs "artificial beings".)

> The world only cares about inputs and outputs.

This way of thinking is the source of all the issues we are facing right now. It screams "I need more suffering". You have been conditioned into believing that. But it doesn't stand up to the simplest test!

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Post by dale_glass »

fragmede wrote: post #125
dev1ycan wrote: post #31

"I wish AI would advance in other careers than ones that people are passionate about." So that means? researchers are passionate about their job does that mean that we shouldn't use AI to speed up medical research? material research? so on and so on. It's just someone mad that their job is getting closer to be automated before others.

it means that computers and ai were supposed to automate away the boring parts of life. folding clothes and doing the dishes. instead, the ai we have right now is making art and poetry, which is what was supposed to be the fun part of being human.

Why "supposed to"? When was that even a thing?

Go on youtube, you'll find plenty videos of people making intricate pots, brushes, etc by hand. You'll also find people do old school metal working with manual mills and lathes. Those people look like they clearly take pride in their work and often enjoy the activity. Automation came for them as well and the ones you see today are the very few remaining.

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Post by AstralStorm »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #101
habitue wrote: post #16

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To be clear, there is plenty of space for humans on earth right now. I'm not talking about in uninhabitable places, I mean in amazing fertile locations. Real world space is a luxury because of bad regulation in places with good governments and other places having bad governments (you didn't imply otherwise, but I know there's a common misconception that space is running out and the world is overcrowded. It's largely…

Even outside of regulations, the biggest issue is access to (well paying) jobs. There may be land available to build affordable estates in tons of areas, but there are no jobs to work there to pay for it.

You would be surprised that someone will come knocking at your door for tax even if you're a hermit or a group of people developing the land.

Land is not free, and that plus buy in is a major obstacle for the moment.

Nomadic living is hated by every state on Earth too.

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Post by mnk47 »

gfodor wrote: post #132
slowmovintarget wrote: post #107

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Early in my programming career, I designed and built a piece of software that made one very specific job easy. It made the job so easy, that instead of a department of thirty people doing that job, the company only needed three, trained to use my software. I put people out of work. It had never entered into my thinking that the code I was writing, the screens I was designing, and the system I deployed would do that.…

If you knew it was going to replace their jobs, it would be surprising to me if you’d have decided to not do it. The main thing to do would be to give people a heads up so they can try to get out in front of it. Which is something AI companies are doing at every level.

>Which is something AI companies are doing at every level.

The message I keep hearing time and time again is "Our aim is not to replace but to empower". The same companies with this message are also saying that their goal is to create a superintelligence that does everything better than humans.

As a junior developer, I have no idea what I should do, where to pivot, and what to expect in the next 6-12 months. I'm confused and lost. I don't know which skills I should be picking up and which ones will be worthless. All I know is that just a few months ago, when I expressed this concern, I was told by seniors that I, a clueless junior, have nothing to worry about, that it's just hype, that I'll never be replaced. Now the general sentiment is that juniors are indeed doomed. The sudden shift in tone felt like a slap in the face.

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