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Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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our LG fridge died within two years they replaced the compressor (only due to a class action suit compelling them to), but I expect it will die prematurely again anyway I keep thermometers in the fridges and check them all the time an independent appliance repair guy told me changing brands won't help much, they are all junk now and he mostly does installations instead of repairs I responded..."even Bosch dishwashers…

> an independent appliance repair guy told me changing brands won't help much Take this with a grain of salt. Repairmen only see the failures and are very skewed by survivorship fallacy.

> Repairmen only see the failures

Sure, that's the value of their advice. You want the appliances that they rarely see.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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We had a kitchen redone with all "top-end" applicances. Sub-Zero fridge, wolf stove, Miele speed oven, etc. They are the most unreliable bunch of appliances I've ever owned, came out-of-the-box with defects. The Miele oven failed _on_. I noticed it was hot when I walked by it one day, even thought the controls were all off. It took a call to the US Consumer Product Safety Commission to get it fixed (and yes, they wer…

Sorry to hear about your kitchen, that sounds like a huge disappointment, ugh.

I'm very surprised to hear that a Miele appliance failed so spectacularly. What did customer support have to say when you first reached out?

I don't own any of their stuff but I've held them in very high regard based on what I've read & heard from others.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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All of our Samsung appliances, including the fridge, have needed multiple expensive assemblies that have molded-in non-replaceable components, turning repairs that should have cost ~$20 for a part into >$200 multi-hour DIY jobs.

Our $1500 Samsung fridge, which ended up in the landfill after less than 5 years, was one of the lucky ones involved in the class-action lawsuit because it doesn’t properly de-ice the coils. The actual de-icing consists of a tiny heater connected to a 1-inch-wide aluminum Z-shaped “finger” that sits in the middle of the drain below the coils at the back of the fridge, inside. What happens is this finger can’t keep up with the ice buildup and it goes into a runaway state where more and more ice builds up since the near-freezing water can’t drain away. You’re left with a giant brick of ice at the back of the fridge, inside GLUED-DOWN STYROFOAM inside of a thin plastic cover which is also secured solely with adhesive. The styrofoam breaks apart when you try to remove it. We ran it for a couple of months with a few 120mm PC fans circulating air through the coils (as the fan assembly is also integrated into the formed styrofoam as air channels to route air around the fins of the foils, and one of the characteristic signs of this situation is the stock fan grinding on the ice buildup). Samsung advises to NOT use a blow dryer to attempt to de-ice, as this also deforms the styrofoam; they say that in order to remedy this, one must completely empty the fridge and freeze and leave it unplugged with the doors open for about a week to allow 100% of the ice to melt. The problem with that, of course, is that since this is a design flaw, the same thing will inevitably happen again after another week or two. I suppose you could buy two Samsung fridges, and move everything back and forth depending on even/odd weeks so the unused fridge can thaw.

We had to pay a junk company to come haul it away to the landfill and now we have a GE Profile which has never had this problem.

Tiny, 1-2mm bits of hard water mineral buildup clogging the non-serviceable water sensor impeller of the dishwasher and the quarter-turn water assembly that falls off with the lightest bump from a large pot / pan etc in the left side of the dishwasher causing a flood of water under it is a story for another time.

Samsung makes badly-designed products that the uninitiated public believe are well-designed because they look cool. They’re priced as premium products with the build quality of budget junk. The only Samsung things I’ll touch these days are their SD cards and SSDs, which I only have good things to say about.

If all that isn’t enough, read up on how corrupt the Samsung family is and how they basically control a big part of politics in South Korea.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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Didn't even have to open the article to know that an LG or Samsung appliance was involved. It's well-known (at least amongst people that care about appliances) that these appliances use whiz-bang features to cover for the cheap internals they need to pack them with to move them at the prices they charge.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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All of our Samsung appliances, including the fridge, have needed multiple expensive assemblies that have molded-in non-replaceable components, turning repairs that should have cost ~$20 for a part into >$200 multi-hour DIY jobs. Our $1500 Samsung fridge, which ended up in the landfill after less than 5 years, was one of the lucky ones involved in the class-action lawsuit because it doesn’t properly de-ice the coils.…

I swear by GE Appliances. Yes, they got bought out by Haier, but their stuff is still crazy reliable, or at least it has been in our experience. We bought a GE fridge for our old rental (whole house; didn't come with appliances). That fridge was AWESOME. I still think about it, especially since the Whirlpool fridge that came with our current rental (whole house) is fine, but definitely showing its age (16yo).

That said, I'm a huge fan of Samsung and LG displays. We bought the Samsung S95B based on it having the highest rating for TVs on RTINGs. It was a great TV (though it blows out colors with its default calibration) that breaks incredibly easily because of how thin the casing is at the top of the screen.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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Tell the vendor you are equipping a restaurant?

This works for some things, but not others. For example, commercial laundry equipment comes from VERY FEW manufacturers, and you may never have heard of UniMac https://unimac.com/product/washer-extractors/uw-series-high-... but you probably have heard of their little brother, Speed Queen. Blendtec is another example. But some things are vastly different between commercial and residential. Commercial ovens often have…

Absolutely LOVE our Blendtec blendeer. That thing can chop up almost anything! My only regret is not getting the variant that came with a heating coil for making soups.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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What are some of the brands that you’ve seen that have those implemented-to-a-higher-standard features? I’m in the market for a new set of everything and would appreciate the insight.

Miele, it also is "expensive". On the long term is the cheaper option.

their cheaper vacs are made in China. Still high quality, but not as much as their more expensive models.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

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post #154

Didn't even have to open the article to know that an LG or Samsung appliance was involved. It's well-known (at least amongst people that care about appliances) that these appliances use whiz-bang features to cover for the cheap internals they need to pack them with to move them at the prices they charge.

More concerning to me is that there isn't anything better out there to buy anyway.

Re: Expensive fridges are dying, leading to fraud claims

#160

Our 20 year old fridge gave up the ghost. First thing I did was get a month of Consumer Reports and read through their Fridge section. Something I noticed, same with Vacuums ... there is no clear winner. They gave top scores to LG fridges people vehemently disliked in the comments. Almost everything got low scores in owner satisfaction. Their #2 pick had an owner satisfaction of 1/5! We decided to get a $700 Whirlpoo…

I'm not sure what to make of Consumer Reports. The last time or to I used them, their conclusions seemed at odds with popular opinion.

Honestly I trust hyper-specific subs on Reddit way more than I'll ever trust Consumer Reports.
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