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United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

#151

I've seen on Toyotas and also at Universal Studios bolts on rides are marked with paint presumably to indicate that the nut hasn't backed out. Are airliners marked in this way? Is checking the bolts simply a visual inspection, or do the inspectors need to get out a torque wrench?

Yes aircraft fasteners are often torque marked, and almost all safety critical fasteners have an additional preload locking mechanism. Often these fasteners use mechanical locking features such as cotter pins, safety wire, or safety cable.

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

#152
post #105

There were only 2 possible causes of the incident, either the bolts had been replaced with bolts made from an inappropriate material, so they broke, or the bolts had not been assembled correctly, and they became loose. It appears that the latter is what happened. Perhaps those who did the assembly of the doors at Boeing did not use the right kind of washers that are needed to prevent the unscrewing of the bolts, or t…

You are assuming this is problem in the assembly and not in the design?

The same part was used on the 737-900 for quite a while and didn't (as far as we've heard, at least) have any similar issues there.

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

#155

At what point do consumers en-masse refuse to fly on these aircraft, if ever? When there's a few more fatal crashes?

People don't change their behavior much when things like this happen. When it comes around to the next big travel weekend, people will continue to book on whatever airline gets them to the right place at the right time for the right price.

Even when people have a direct ability to change what vehicle they travel on, like with car sales, safety incidents/features/records/etc have little impact to no on sales.

This is one of the reasons why transportation safety is regulated rather than being left up to market forces. Market forces don't really have an impact until the safety risk reaches some extreme levels.

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

#156

Doesn’t this call into question the manufacturing of ALL 737 MAX’s including the 7 and 8 since they must use the same manufacturing process?

It calls into question Boeing's entire portfolio because it's all a product of the same management culture.

It's a door design that dates back to the 707.

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

#158
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1% of people represent 50% of the ~~flights~~ emissions (see thread): https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/17/people-caus...

This about 50% of emissions not 50% of flights

My bad, probably inflated by private jets then?
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