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X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by hn1986 »

ThalesX wrote: post #12

X is the best social media platform out there at this point. What are the alternatives? Meta's Facebook, Instagram? TikTok? It's just bollocks. X is where a lot of interesting people post, and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Community notes is also a super interesting aspect. It's not X's fault someone follows nazis or whatever and don't know where the mute / block buttons are.

Good riddance to X. There's a reason why people and companies are leaving a place and an owner that amplifies neo-Nazi expression and conspiracy theories like QAnon.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by jrflowers »

davidw wrote: post #150
jrflowers wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In this case it was specifically intentionally misleading Exactly. What people don’t seem to realize is that neo-Nazi content is allowed, and there is not a extant mechanism for Twitter advertisers to make sure that their ads do not appear next to that allowed neo-Nazi content — this is why Twitter verified that fact in their lawsuit. The lawsuit is meritorious because while there was no malfunction on Twitter’s pa…

I'm a bit confused by your comment, because the link shows that they were indeed showing 'bad' content, but you say the lawsuit is 'meritorious' ie having merit.

The lawsuit doesn’t contend that the reporting is inaccurate, the complaint hinges on it being correct. Twitter is suing under the “who cares” and “shut up” doctrine.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by davidw »

theultdev wrote: post #140
davidw wrote: post #138

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Giant companies like Apple don't just do something like that on a complete whim based on a report from a relatively tiny organization. Probably also has something to do with the kinds of ugly stuff the owner of Twitter has been boosting lately.

Don't they? Well they all did at once after the relatively tiny report. Well anyway, let's all continue speculating...

It turns out large companies don't like to see their brand near hateful things and they were probably able to verify that internally. Apple has quite a few more resources than Media Matters.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by valar_m »

systemstops wrote: post #75

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What should we be more skeptical about, specifically? The negative claims I've heard are all easily verifiable. I saw the Elon tweet myself, and the lawsuit against Media Matters fully concedes that ads were being served next to Nazi content. Which part should we not be believing?

> Elon Musk has pissed off some very powerful people with his recent comments.

Which very powerful people are you referring to, specifically?

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by [deleted] »

stainablesteel wrote: post #139
lolbase wrote: post #116

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Can you please name some right wing opinions that used to be banned, and is no longer banned? Be specific.

right wing or oppositional, you decide that covid came out of a chinese lab, or showing that the lockdowns didn't work as was shown by Jay Bhattacharya early on accounts that were censored, shadowbanned, and massively decreased in exposure. just look up the twitter files. since being owned by elon there's also been a rush of psychometricians into twitter, people who want to share and talk about their scientific data,…

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by Volundr »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #148
Volundr wrote: post #144

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decolonization It may surprise you to know, there is more to the world than one particular conflict. Edit: to be clear I take no issue with banning calls for violence and genocide, including instances where they are attempting to be obscured by careful use of language. I take issue with claiming that the word, which has been use…

In practice, though, this turns into a motte-and-bailey, whether or not that is your intent. When someone today talks about "decolonization", what are the odds that they're talking about Palestine? What are the odds that they're talking about the Belgian Congo? This is especially true if it shows up on Twitter rather than in an obscure journal about the 20th century history of Africa. So (many) people are using "deco…

> When someone today talks about "decolonization", what are the odds that they're talking about Palestine?

In my particular bubble? Essentially zero. It's pretty much always going to be in the context of a past or present British colony, or a person's mental state aka "decolonize the mind". I readily admit my personal experience may not line up with whatever is trending on Twitter/X. And now we can't discuss those things on Twitter/X apparently. Is Twitter/X such a mess that this kind of limit is for the best? Maybe, I haven't been around in a long time, but it seems pretty damn toxic from the outside, but "freedom of speech" it ain't.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by askonomm »

pixl97 wrote: post #49
askonomm wrote: post #40

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It's funny how cities clean themselves up only when the rest of the world is looking at them, e.g Olympics, only to fall into disrepair the moment that's gone, because why would the government ever care about its own people, right?

Because it costs an epic fuckload of money and effort to perform the cleanup. Quite often the cities are in worse shape as they take no debt to perform said building/cleanups and then are left without the funds to perform the basic level of maintenance they were before the olympics.

That's interesting to hear. I thought we paid taxes for that. Or what am I paying half my salary to the government for then? Should I start paying the remaining half as well?

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by valar_m »

jrflowers wrote: post #152
davidw wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit confused by your comment, because the link shows that they were indeed showing 'bad' content, but you say the lawsuit is 'meritorious' ie having merit.

The lawsuit doesn’t contend that the reporting is inaccurate, the complaint hinges on it being correct. Twitter is suing under the “who cares” and “shut up” doctrine.

>The lawsuit doesn’t contend that the reporting is inaccurate, the complaint hinges on it being correct.

This seems contradictory. You're saying that the lawsuit doesn't say the report is inaccurate, but rather that it's not correct?

Is your comment based on a distinction between the words accurate/inaccurate and correct/incorrect?

>Twitter is suing under the “who cares” and “shut up” doctrine.

You're saying that the lawsuit is meritorious, while conceding that there is no legal basis for the lawsuit? Am I missing something?

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by askonomm »

ThalesX wrote: post #12

X is the best social media platform out there at this point. What are the alternatives? Meta's Facebook, Instagram? TikTok? It's just bollocks. X is where a lot of interesting people post, and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Community notes is also a super interesting aspect. It's not X's fault someone follows nazis or whatever and don't know where the mute / block buttons are.

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by Minor49er »

ThalesX wrote: post #149
Minor49er wrote: post #147

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My point is: why are you choosing to consume from a dumpster at all?

> My point is: why are you choosing to consume from a dumpster at all? My choices are as follows: Meta vs. X, I choose X Reddit vs. Hackernews, I choose Hackernews I couldn't say why I choose either, I guess it's a thirst for content and ultimately, there's a visceral choice that I make that results in X / Hackernews as opposed to Meta / Reddit.

There are many more options out there than these few. But if you are enjoying your choices, then more power to you for using them
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