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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by zinekeller »

Alupis wrote: post #149
zinekeller wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are forced to sell it by their contracts with ICANN - this is not a decision that they have done voluntarily. If they can legally shut down Domains they would have done it. Sure, in any other contexts, selling Stadia customers to Microsoft or Nvidia (for example) would be a voluntary decision, however they are barred from just shutting down this one. They can even shut down Gmail or YouTube with no legal repercu…

They sold it for a reported $180 Million[1] While chump change to the likes of Google, it demonstrates Squarespace views this business as highly profitable. Migrating an acquired business into your systems makes a lot of sense. Unless you have some evidence it would have been just simply shut down otherwise, I think you're inferring things that do not exist. Few if any of the other "shut down by google" operations co…

And they're also shutt- I mean deprecated their enterprise version? (https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-d...) That doesn't sound like "oh, we're selling this because it's valuable money" but more of "we don't have the energy to maintain this".

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mixermachine »

Alupis wrote: post #135
crazygringo wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. So it was first reported that Google Domains was being abandoned, but Google Cloud Domains was still just fine. I thought -- exactly, you can count on their paid enterprise cloud services. I looked it up now to reconfirm, and it turns out a few days later it came out that Google Cloud Domains was also being shut down? [1] WTF. OK, well that's idiotic. Maybe I have to take back my parent comment then. That's one…

Google Domains is not being shut down - it's being sold to Squarespace. I would assume Cloud Domains either went with that package, or is being removed as part of the deal. Selling to another company != shut down in my book. Although I'm already in the process of moving domains to another registrar...

Isn't the goal to offer a good experience and a one platform rules it all approach? A massive downgrade for the GCP platform.

If the onion released an article that states "Google sells it's domain business, who needs domains in 2023 anyway" this would be a great joke.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

You trust AWS? Seriously? Amazon?

What gets me is that AWS must have insane turnover with the Amazon stack ranking. The stability of that platform long term concerns me.

AWS is a utility at this point. Utilities are boring, conservative, and have people that know their systems and stay there for decades.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mdaniel »

eximius wrote: post #97

While I never spent a lot of time in GCP, it seemed like it was harder to understand GCP itself as a platform compared to AWS. That is to say that Google APIs and services seem fine, but figuring out project management and infrastructure management feel incredibly weird. Not necessarily bad, but arcane and awkward where in AWS I can just hit the ground running. Arguably, debatably, GCP might have the "more correct" m…

> figuring out project management and infrastructure management feel incredibly weird

It's not just you, and the situation is worse than if they had no configuration management offering because, as Google is wont to do, they have several of them in various states of disrepair

- they cite terraform as their go-to deployment solution in damn near every blog post, but if you're trying to create something for (new users | deployment into _someone else's project_) the instructions start with "well, open a Terminal and ..."

- they now have some kind of "hosted terraform runner + state" whose name escapes me but is hiding somewhere in this list of a bazillion similarly named Cloud Somethings https://cloud.google.com/products?hl=en#section-14 ("Infrastructure Manager" is the one I was trying to think of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37548639 and is, ha ha, not on that products page which is why I could not find it)

- they started to have a CloudFormation replacement with Deployment Manager https://cloud.google.com/deployment-manager/docs/configurati...> but, again, I cannot stress enough how GODDAMN STUPID this is: one must enable deployment manager to use it, and the way one does that is via gcloud, click ops https://console.cloud.google.com/apis/library/deploymentmana...>, or terraform -- then, ha ha, you went through all that trouble but you can't create an IAM Role with it https://cloud.google.com/deployment-manager/docs/configurati...> partially because it's not a supported resource type and partially because MUTATING ROLE BINDINGS IS A RACE-CONDITION EVENT

And speaking of, there is, of course, no way to enable project services via Deployment Manager, so pound sand if your Project was not already carefully configured in advance of Deployment Manager

- cloud shell tutorials, which is basically the union of all of those: https://cloud.google.com/shell/docs/cloud-shell-tutorials/ov... although in that case they do actually go out of their way to allow one to create a Project, with the activated service APIs, during the tutorial: https://cloud.google.com/shell/docs/cloud-shell-tutorials/di...

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by pirsquare »

GCP will shutdown your production servers and take one whole week to get it back. All for missing out on a KYC form.

Our story: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35133917

Forget about the initial shutdown, how can you take 1 whole week to resolve something critical like this.

Even if Google is offering me $1mil cloud credits today I wouldn't risk my business with them anymore.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by pirsquare »

zepolen wrote: post #127
s-xyz wrote: post #14

I share the same experience and opinion. I cannot imagine what a significant argument would be to use AWS instead of GCP that outweighs the benefits and the seemingly integrated services. GCP has so far covered 99% of my use cases, and I can testify that I have a lot of advanced cases linked to data management, information security, networking and more. I am open and do not judge AWS, and perhaps its also a matter of…

GCP support is a joke compared to AWS.

Yep shutdown our production servers and take 1 whole week to get it resolved. Nothing fraudulent on our end. Just missing out on KYC form.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by xyzelement »

akulbe wrote: post #71

All of the smack talk about AWS rings true in my experience. The documentation is terrible and incomplete. That said… there's one MASSIVE reason I trust AWS over GCP. Google has a knack for killing products/services. Even when they seem to be popular. You don't know if a service will exist next week. But you took the time to invest in the ecosystem and get to know the offering… But Google does what Google does, and o…

Has Google killed Cloud services people relied on? I am asking in good faith as I don't know.

Whether Google kills random small-traction consumer products is kind of orthogonal to the Cloud question. If Amazon retail discontinues some Amazon Basics product, we don't read into that for AWS.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by pirsquare »

vasili111 wrote: post #72

How GCP support compares to AWS support? What is your personal experience with support?

Amazon is A-tier.

GCP is F-tier

GCP - Shutdown our production servers and took 1 whole week to get it resolved. Nothing fraudulent on our end. Just for missing out on KYC form.

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Post by irrational »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I work for a fortune 100 company. Years ago we looked at all the cloud providers trying to determine who to go with. Google was thrown out on the first day for this very reason. They simply cannot be trusted not to kill their products at the drop of a hat.

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Post by joedevon »

crazygringo wrote: post #115
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

I remember losing an argument with my company (that I cofounded) about using Google's awesome recruiting app that was part of GSuite. I said I don't trust Google not to kill it if there are less than a billion users on it. Everyone, and I mean everyone else said, nah. They'd be crazy to kill it. It's part of GSuite. They offer that to businesses and it's too core of a suite for them to kill it.

One year later, Google Graveyard.

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