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French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by pokepim »

conradfr wrote: post #54
senttoschool wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When accused of authoritarian tendencies the government usually answers "go to China or North Korea to see what a dictatorship is like". China and North Korea exist on completely separate spectrums.

I guess the day they only name North Korea we will know we're done.

Honestly the west wanted for China to be more like us but in the end our power hungry politicians made us more like China. And we are on track to be even worse because there are some morons who are actually in favor of police state and “democratically” vote to be policed by the goverment and their cronies.

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Post by nroets »

tux3 wrote: post #48
asddubs wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really a slippery slope, we've already arrived at the bad thing

Ah, but you see, there's plenty of slope left to slide!

Agreed! Next they will arrest anyone critical of the government and lock them up for using end to end encryption on WhatsApp.

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Post by hughesjj »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #139
jona-f wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, here is an article about "preventive detention of a climate activist" in Germany. https://newsrnd.com/news/2023-06-13-before-action-in-regensb... The issue here is that they seemed to have used the encrypted communications to proof criminal behavior.

This is why we can not, under any circumstances, budge on encryption and privacy. It is a fundamental right and I am willing to die on this hill.

There's no freedom more fundamental than freedom of thought, but anti-encryption violates that imo. At least, it prevents the sharing or workshopping of thoughts. Yeah, I'd literally die on that hill.

No one deserves to be subject to my raw, unrefined thoughts. It's hell enough for me

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Post by Freak_NL »

cm2187 wrote: post #85
conradfr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday the French government dissolved an environmental movement (which I don't like btw), amongst the reasons stated[0] are that they leave their phones at home or switch them off, refuse to talk to the police when arrested, or even that they organize their protest over the internet. When accused of authoritarian tendencies the government usually answers "go to China or North Korea to see what a dictatorship is l…

They have not been dissolved because they left their phone at home, they have been dissolved because it was a violent organisation that was systematically attacking the police and destroying property. And given the sort of stuff they brought to their protests: swords, machettes, baseball bats, jerrycan, bricks, fireworks, petanque balls, Molotov cocktails, fire bombs, etc, it is particularly disingenuous to pretend t…

> …, petanque balls, …

While I won't argue with the fact that these are indeed formidable missiles, it does make for a unique French touch.

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Post by alkonaut »

midoridensha wrote: post #5
xcombelle wrote: post #2

this article miss a whole part of the story. among other things, these person came back from a warzone. looks at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_du_8_décembre_2020

Very interesting; it looks like these people went to Syria to fight ISIS, and got this ill treatment when they returned. Why does it seem like the French government is always supporting the worst actors in any conflict? ISIS is (was) so evil and barbaric, they make Putin seem like a great guy. Why would volunteering to fight them ever be seen in a bad light?

There are basically two sides to this conflict: ISIS on one hand, and the Syrian/Kurdish PYD/YPG side on the other. The latter has ties to the PKK, which is an internationally recognized terror org just like ISIS.

Now, depending on who you ask, the PYD/YPG is "good, because they fight ISIS" (e.g. the official stance of the US) or "Terrorists, because they are basically just extensions of the PKK" (what Turkey says).

This leads to a lot of inconsistency in foreign policy within NATO. For example Sweden is pressured to crack down on PYD/YPG to be admitted into NATO. The US, like many others, have supported the YPG/PYD in the fight against ISIS. So I imagine Turkey is also pressuring other NATO countries like France in this case, to go after PKK collaborators including the adjacent syrian orgs.

So basically: why are the people volunteering to fight ISIS seen as terrorists within NATO? I'd guess these days to a large extent because Turkey says so.

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Post by beremaki »

Situation in France will not end well.

Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster.

Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary rights. I skipped a lot of authoritarian practice that happened and are still happening but the situation is egregiously bad

I don't say that because I am a political opponent. I voted for this government in 2017, I am a founder, I am pro business. But also I am a father of two and I would rather raise my children in a democracy.

I am seriously pessimistic about this situation. EU knows and complains about Poland & Hungary but France is going to be a shitshow of a far worse magnitude. We should NOT get a pass because Macron knows how to play the game

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Post by INTPenis »

franky47 wrote: post #112

In the mean time, the French government is also sending out a call for projects [1] that increase cybersecurity, digital sovereignty and promote encryption of data. Just not for the common folk, but for startups. I find it funny (/s) that my current project is funded by the French government to develop end-to-end encryption in web applications [2]. Am I a terrorist too? [1] https://www.bpifrance.fr/nos-appels-a-proje…

Not you but your users might be.
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