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Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

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To paraphrase The Economist, "This device is amazing, and now Apple needs developers to figure out what it's for." https://www.economist.com/business/2023/06/06/apples-vision-...

I’m most intrigued by the handtracking I’m hoping that ends up beig distinct…. eventually.

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

#152

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Honestly, I'm excited to start building AR-enhanced cooking experiences for Umami[1]. I worry though: is the passthrough reliable enough to use a sharp kitchen knife safely while wearing it? [1] https://www.umami.recipes

Isn't there also the issue of the device overheating ? accidental water projection ? oil projections ? Camera fogging ? The battery dying while doing something and you're suddenly blind ? I think the Apple demo of people mostly sitting on a couch is not a lack of imagination, but a pragmatic approach of how this device should be used.

You may be right. My hope is the AVP is at least step toward something that could make potentially dangerous physical activities, like cooking, safer (e.g., by showing you the temperature of a surface before you touch it with your hands, as suggested elsewhere in this thread).

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

#153

To paraphrase The Economist, "This device is amazing, and now Apple needs developers to figure out what it's for." https://www.economist.com/business/2023/06/06/apples-vision-...

Computers were invented to speed up calculations, and yet the primary thing we use them for today is to read the news and send each other messages and memes… I think it’s totally reasonable, to expect developers to find the real use

Computers had a 100% open platform from day 1. Tell me, will Apple allow a pornography app for the Vision Pro?

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

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I think both of you need to look at the amount of patents related to the Apple's AR glasses and their related vision products a lot more since it give lots of obvious clues about where Apple will take their Apple vision based products. All publicly available for everyone to see. [0] No inside information needed at all. [0] https://www.patentlyapple.com/face-object-recognition/

right, you've read the tea leaves.

The tea leaves, breadcrumbs and obvious clues that tell the truth as close as possible that defines the next phase of Apple's AR/XR products all to the source as public as possible.

Correct either way.

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

#155
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Part of the magic is the eye tracking and exterior cameras tracking hands. Without those, I don’t see how what you suggest would be very helpful

Surely not every app will use the hand and eye tracking. Let the user attach a pair of mouses (one for eyes, one for hand). > Next month, Apple will open developer labs in Cupertino, London, Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, and Tokyo It can be pretty janky and still be more convenient than traveling to one of six cities.

Eye and hand tracking are supposedly the only way to interact with the device, so unless your app is not interactive at all, you will use them.

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

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I think it's very important for people to get out of the HN bubble when discussing this. $3500 is just way too expensive for mass customer adoption. Meta is struggling to get customers to adopt the Oculus hardware when its an order of magnitude less expensive. I can't see why _any_ developer would sink tons of money into building custom apps on this platform when there will be less than a few hundred thousand users n…

To be fair, the Oculus experience is pretty bad. Mine only has three eye-width settings, none of which match my face, so my vision is always blurry. And whenever I use hand tracking, it only picks up my “clicks” about 20% of the time. It’s not surprising to me that no one wants to use it.

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

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post #153

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Computers were invented to speed up calculations, and yet the primary thing we use them for today is to read the news and send each other messages and memes… I think it’s totally reasonable, to expect developers to find the real use

Computers had a 100% open platform from day 1. Tell me, will Apple allow a pornography app for the Vision Pro?

It has a web browser. You can access anything you want via that, same as the phone.

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

#159

To paraphrase The Economist, "This device is amazing, and now Apple needs developers to figure out what it's for." https://www.economist.com/business/2023/06/06/apples-vision-...

Honestly, I'm excited to start building AR-enhanced cooking experiences for Umami[1]. I worry though: is the passthrough reliable enough to use a sharp kitchen knife safely while wearing it? [1] https://www.umami.recipes

I feel like even if it is good enough it’s only a matter of time until it lags and you lose a finger. Lulling us into a false sense of security is the real danger.

Re: Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple Vision Pro

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Those 150k units will be purchased by some of the most desirable customers in the world. People who spend $3500 on a headset have a lot of disposable income. Perhaps enough to pay $200 for a VR game with good marketing.

Especially if you're first, or close to first, with a killer app with a high attach rate. I read that something like 50% of PC VR headset owners buy Beat Saber, contrast that with attach rates measured with scientific notation like 1e-3 for most mobile apps that aren't from huge megacorps. If you can make the Beat Saber equivalent for Apple's platform it could be lucrative indeed.

Right, my point was, there will be a couple of apps that everyone will get. Mobile phones have anchored app prices near free. Maybe some great app will get to charge 1/2 of the users $10. That's less than 1M if they sell 150k devices. I hope you don't need a big team to build whatever it is and are sure your app is the successful one.
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